WEBVTT 00:08.960 --> 00:12.660 Okay, I'm going to call this meeting to order today for the Platte County Zoning and Planning. 00:13.520 --> 00:19.140 First of all, thank you all for coming, and hopefully we can get through this in a reasonable 00:19.140 --> 00:27.820 time. First thing on the agenda would be a few introductions. We have Jay Collins, Bonnie 00:27.820 --> 00:33.000 Lockhart, Bill Klein, our planner, Laura Bookout, Malcolm Erwin, our county clerk, 00:33.160 --> 00:39.980 myself, Marty Shepherd. With that being said, is there any conflicts of interest 00:39.980 --> 00:46.700 moving forward for today? Okay, no conflicts of interest. We will go 00:46.700 --> 00:52.940 into approving the public hearing rules. Laura, do you want to touch briefly on 00:52.940 --> 00:58.680 those or do you think we need to? I don't think we need to. These are the rules 00:58.680 --> 01:02.700 that we are adopting in the process of adopting into our bylaws that we have 01:02.700 --> 01:06.580 been using at each of the special meetings here. So three-minute 01:06.580 --> 01:13.480 limitations, same deal. Okay, I would entertain a motion to approve the 01:13.480 --> 01:24.120 hearing rules. I have a motion on the floor to approve the hearing rules and second it. 01:24.300 --> 01:29.300 Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. 01:29.900 --> 01:38.260 Aye. All opposed? Carried. We'll move right into new business. First item on the agenda, 01:38.400 --> 01:43.080 and the only item on the agenda is a public hearing to accept public comments on proposed 01:43.480 --> 01:49.360 changes to incorporate data centers into existing Platt County land use rules and regulations 01:49.940 --> 01:52.440 dated January 20th, 2026. 01:53.620 --> 01:55.320 Laura, do you want to give a brief rundown? 01:57.260 --> 01:57.400 Sure. 01:57.960 --> 02:02.560 So just a reminder for everybody, the Board of County Commissioners came to me. 02:02.840 --> 02:09.140 I came to the Planning and Zoning Board in reference to incorporating data centers into 02:09.140 --> 02:11.560 our existing rules and regulations. 02:13.480 --> 02:14.720 that is not the intention of this. 02:15.080 --> 02:17.980 The intention is to incorporate data centers 02:17.980 --> 02:21.540 basically so we can end up requiring a special use permit. 02:22.300 --> 02:24.300 If one were to come before us, 02:24.300 --> 02:27.100 they would have to apply for a special use permit 02:27.600 --> 02:28.220 for approval. 02:30.320 --> 02:34.340 So basically it's, if you look at the table of contents, 02:34.520 --> 02:37.120 it would affect what I advertised, 02:37.160 --> 02:38.680 which I originally thought, 02:39.740 --> 02:40.940 and sort of the Board of County Commissioners, 02:40.940 --> 02:43.300 just basically adding a definition for it, 02:43.580 --> 02:46.820 and then incorporating it into commercial classifications 02:46.820 --> 02:50.860 of chapter six, industrial classification of chapter seven, 02:51.560 --> 02:55.900 and ranching agricultural and mining in chapter eight. 02:57.660 --> 03:00.900 After rereading some things and working on some other files, 03:01.040 --> 03:05.160 it came to my attention very recently, like yesterday, 03:05.820 --> 03:09.620 that we also should look at chapter three, Malcolm, 03:10.940 --> 03:14.680 to pull the original rules and regulations, or active rules and regulations for Chapter 03:14.680 --> 03:23.540 3 up. Sorry. It's on, and then page 16. And I'll, I'll address that later, but I believe 03:23.540 --> 03:29.240 that Chapter 3 there's on page 16 there is a sentence that might need to be taken out 03:29.240 --> 03:35.680 of altogether, the rules and regulations. And the, I'll wait until Malcolm gets that going. 03:35.680 --> 03:39.200 But in the meantime, I had provided, 03:40.380 --> 03:43.040 so the only thing that was published, I had an example, 03:43.360 --> 03:45.620 I hadn't had time to work on a proposed anything 03:46.180 --> 03:49.660 until very recently, but I did come up, 03:49.880 --> 03:52.700 we want some kind of generic data center definition, 03:53.540 --> 03:56.900 not we don't want to, we want all data centers, 03:57.460 --> 03:59.320 regardless of size and type, 04:00.100 --> 04:02.380 to have to apply for a special use permit. 04:02.380 --> 04:08.000 For example, we just approved the Board of County Commissioners on Tuesday just approved 04:08.000 --> 04:16.380 the special use permit for 5.9, which is technically a data center facility for fiber optics. 04:17.140 --> 04:21.620 So we want a generic all-encompassing definition. 04:21.980 --> 04:25.600 I provided some examples for that. 04:26.240 --> 04:30.540 And then, okay, Malcolm's there. 04:34.100 --> 04:35.840 Oh, we'll just keep rolling with the definitions. 04:36.240 --> 04:37.400 So I don't know, do you wanna just start 04:37.400 --> 04:39.880 with the definitions first and then we'll roll 04:39.880 --> 04:44.760 and then I'll move into the chapter six, seven, 04:44.900 --> 04:46.780 and then Malcolm will end with that chapter three, I think. 04:47.360 --> 04:48.640 Okay, does that work? 04:49.360 --> 04:50.260 I think that works. 04:50.620 --> 04:51.020 Okay, great. 04:51.400 --> 04:53.780 So right now we'll just start with the table of contents, 04:56.220 --> 05:01.180 list and at this I take it everybody has that table that's here has had an 05:01.180 --> 05:09.900 opportunity to pick it up I think it's on the table over there is no no table 05:09.900 --> 05:15.180 no the in this no the example was online and that's the example not the proposed 05:15.900 --> 05:19.800 so they knew what areas we were looking for Malcolm will have it on the screen 05:19.800 --> 05:24.540 for everybody okay Malcolm if you want to start at the top chapter 1 general 05:31.540 --> 05:36.760 And at this time too, if you would like to make a comment on anything that we're going 05:36.760 --> 05:38.600 over, just raise your hand. 05:39.920 --> 05:41.380 I believe the same rules apply. 05:41.800 --> 05:46.940 Come up, sign up, come to the podium, state your name, three minutes, and we'll move on. 05:53.400 --> 06:01.320 So the first item that I have was just one that you have highlighted, this Chapter 2 06:01.320 --> 06:03.100 definition since the meaning of the term. 06:04.360 --> 06:05.760 So other than that, it's pretty simple. 06:06.840 --> 06:06.860 Okay. 06:08.480 --> 06:15.960 Moving into Chapter 3, any discussion on just the table of contents, any verbiage, anything 06:16.940 --> 06:18.040 I don't think there is any. 06:21.380 --> 06:23.420 We're going to move on to page five. 06:27.640 --> 06:32.620 This is where we are incorporating the terminology data center, chapter six, 06:35.080 --> 06:38.220 under class three, commercial classification. 06:39.620 --> 06:45.220 And then we're going down to chapter seven, apical to industrial classification. 06:47.340 --> 06:50.320 there or the terminology data center anyway. 06:51.520 --> 06:54.760 And then we're going to chapter eight for RAM, 06:54.960 --> 06:57.100 ranching and agriculture and mining classification. 06:58.120 --> 07:01.820 And we're going to add the verbiage of the data center 07:01.820 --> 07:02.840 in there as well. 07:05.720 --> 07:09.700 From there on, we go to nine, 10, 11, 12 or nine, 10, 11. 07:11.100 --> 07:15.300 Pretty much so what we have intact right now. 07:20.920 --> 07:25.240 Chapter 12, same thing, that whole page, Malcolm, are you, 07:25.400 --> 07:26.740 I can't see what you're doing, you're good. 07:27.900 --> 07:31.540 Pretty well stays the same on that page, which would be page 7. 07:34.300 --> 07:37.480 Page 8, same thing, wind energy, 07:37.560 --> 07:40.320 siting facilities, not changing anything there. 07:42.140 --> 07:44.180 And we get into page 14. 07:45.800 --> 07:48.020 And I don't know, how do you want, you want me to read this? 07:48.060 --> 07:48.660 You want to read this? 07:48.740 --> 07:49.400 Tell me what you're thinking. 07:52.020 --> 07:53.080 Whichever way you want to do. 07:53.340 --> 07:55.740 So what I have, I have one on page 14. 07:55.880 --> 08:02.360 I have one, two, three, four versions of a generic definition of data center. 08:02.780 --> 08:06.900 And then unfortunately on the next page that is not highlighted, there's an additional 08:06.900 --> 08:14.160 one, two, three, four, five potential definitions right there, Malcolm, yeah, for data center 08:18.260 --> 08:26.940 So the basic, the general, like a physical location, so I mean it's really up for discussion. 08:27.100 --> 08:28.460 Do we want to meld some of these? 08:28.560 --> 08:32.980 Do we want to adopt just one of the general definitions? 08:33.500 --> 08:40.240 Again, the point is to have it a general all-encompassing, not specifically to a large data center is 08:40.240 --> 08:42.440 what's hot and topic in the news right now. 08:44.920 --> 08:47.820 Can everybody out there see the things 08:47.820 --> 08:48.780 that she's talking about? 08:49.100 --> 08:50.220 Can you see them up on the screen? 08:54.580 --> 08:56.140 All right, this time we'll give it a little time 08:56.140 --> 08:57.220 for everybody to read those 08:57.220 --> 08:59.500 and then we'll come back and discuss. 09:38.140 --> 09:40.000 Thank you. 10:08.140 --> 10:10.000 Thank you. 10:28.900 --> 10:37.180 Okay, at this time I will open it up to public comment on what you might like to see in this 10:37.180 --> 10:42.040 definition or if any of these are compatible if there anyone would like to 10:42.040 --> 10:46.160 comment any public comment on the definition of a data center. 10:52.220 --> 10:56.340 Just like last time Milo come up sign in stand at the podium. 11:11.820 --> 11:17.780 Yeah, I'm going to let you speak unless we're going to hear the same thing 10 times and 11:17.780 --> 11:18.740 know we're going to move on. 11:19.600 --> 11:26.340 But as we have different sections, yes, I'll let everybody once again try if we can get 11:26.340 --> 11:26.820 through it. 11:27.680 --> 11:33.700 So, I think that the first definition that was on the previous page that we were looking 11:33.700 --> 11:35.020 if Malcolm can pull that up again. 11:35.440 --> 11:36.700 Yeah, right there at the top. 11:37.080 --> 11:40.040 A fiscal facility or building that has networked computer 11:40.040 --> 11:42.700 servers, data storage drives, and IT infrastructure used 11:42.700 --> 11:45.440 to store, process, and share digital information is probably 11:45.440 --> 11:49.480 the best bet, and I think that was a good definition to come 11:49.480 --> 11:49.840 up with it. 11:50.080 --> 11:50.960 That's all I wanted to say. 11:51.640 --> 11:51.920 Thank you. 11:53.540 --> 11:54.200 Thank you, Milo. 11:57.320 --> 11:58.080 Anyone else? 12:04.080 --> 12:07.140 Just a quick reminder too, if you'd please put your cell phones on silence. 12:07.980 --> 12:10.680 And I forgot one other thing that I need to touch base on. 12:10.720 --> 12:16.800 If anybody has to use the restroom, the door directly to the north is the doors that the 12:16.800 --> 12:19.960 county would like us to use to stay out of the way of the firemen. 12:20.720 --> 12:24.980 So anytime you need to go outside, you can go outside to the right, do what you need 12:24.980 --> 12:25.380 to do. 12:25.720 --> 12:28.500 Obviously not go to the bathroom, but if you need to leave, go out that way. 12:29.200 --> 12:32.320 If you're going to the bathroom, use the doors to the north and go to the bathroom. 12:35.000 --> 12:37.800 Okay, you guys got my packet. 12:38.580 --> 12:41.220 Did you guys, everyone of you guys, okay, just make sure. 12:41.960 --> 12:43.600 There's a couple of things that are not mentioned 12:43.600 --> 12:45.420 in here before you guys start doing all this. 12:45.800 --> 12:48.040 There is a move to actually try and put these guys 12:48.040 --> 12:51.360 into data centers into military status 12:51.360 --> 12:53.060 to being a military base. 12:54.680 --> 12:58.220 And when you like sell a building, like these guys are 12:58.220 --> 12:59.800 going to try and do, they're going to try and build this place 12:59.800 --> 13:01.380 and you're going to make agreements with them. 13:01.860 --> 13:09.340 Those no longer fall in place when they're given over to like a military contract or a military stuff is done there. 13:09.800 --> 13:13.280 Eric Prince is also going to be putting security around all these places. 13:13.960 --> 13:16.520 I don't know if you guys have seen that yet or done any research on it. 13:17.480 --> 13:19.060 These things will not apply. 13:19.820 --> 13:21.440 They can do whatever they want to do. 13:21.840 --> 13:26.040 Not to mention that the data that you guys are getting has been skewed. 13:26.040 --> 13:34.460 We have like site layer one here or the site layer four. There is a structure above them. They made a 13:34.460 --> 13:41.720 quote saying they are not a small, they're a small corporation kind of thing or whatever. They're not. 13:42.420 --> 13:47.860 There's air layer. Hey Josh. Yeah. I'm tracking what you're saying but right now we need to stay on 13:47.860 --> 13:52.820 point. We're talking about the definition of a data center. That's it. Okay. Good, bad, and different. 13:52.820 --> 13:56.300 All we're needing is if you like a definition that we like, 13:56.420 --> 13:57.740 if you have on this sheet, great. 13:57.920 --> 14:01.160 If you don't, give us a definition in which you would like. 14:01.320 --> 14:04.560 What I am saying is that before you guys make a decision 14:04.560 --> 14:07.040 on any of these, I think a little bit more research needs 14:07.040 --> 14:08.500 to be done, you know. 14:09.240 --> 14:10.760 There's more aspects to this. 14:10.880 --> 14:12.860 Like, for example, you guys already have a data center 14:12.860 --> 14:15.420 there that wasn't quoted as a data center, 14:15.440 --> 14:17.760 but you guys have no rules and regulations in place. 14:19.040 --> 14:20.200 You have none whatsoever. 14:20.200 --> 14:27.860 and you're not only are they built one but they're adding on to it and you guys had no idea how they're powering this thing or how 14:27.860 --> 14:28.840 Much is being used 14:29.420 --> 14:31.260 That's all I have to say 14:35.740 --> 14:39.680 Anyone else any public comment on a data center definition 14:46.120 --> 14:47.100 Catherine Stevens 14:49.100 --> 14:49.540 Okay. 14:50.440 --> 14:55.280 Catherine Stevens, I think that the simplest definition, that very first one, is probably 14:55.280 --> 14:59.480 the best, the physical facility, the same one that Milo thought was good. 15:00.180 --> 15:01.260 I think the simpler the better. 15:04.800 --> 15:05.640 Thank you, Catherine. 15:06.520 --> 15:07.060 Anyone else? 15:08.860 --> 15:14.060 Maybe to speed this up a little bit, if you want to speak, come up and get ready to sign 15:14.060 --> 15:18.380 in and I won't, none of us will think you're being rude. Just get ready so we can kind 15:18.380 --> 15:27.840 of keep rolling. I just think when you get ready to define 15:27.840 --> 15:36.420 that, I'm sorry, Amy Bates. Thank you. Maybe at the beginning, definition as described 15:36.420 --> 15:49.360 but not limited to the definition. It gives a little leeway there for legality. Data center 15:49.360 --> 15:56.840 as defined, but not limited to. Would be my suggestion. Thanks. 15:57.820 --> 16:03.420 Hang on before you can walk away and you're talking just add that if if I may I'm not trying to put words your mouth 16:03.420 --> 16:04.280 I don't know 16:04.840 --> 16:08.440 Would you put that right in that first one that Milo and Catherine or? 16:09.740 --> 16:16.820 Which definition did you like? I think keeping it simple just as Milo and Catherine said I like the first one 16:16.820 --> 16:20.200 but I like I would like it to say data center as 16:21.240 --> 16:24.940 Defined but not limited to a physical facility 16:28.120 --> 16:28.880 Thank you. 16:28.880 --> 16:29.160 You bet. 16:32.900 --> 16:39.300 Jill Kaufmann, I have a procedural aspect that I want to bring up. It's nothing new. 16:40.220 --> 16:47.480 On your Title 14, excuse me, 614.403, Section B, I'm going to read it. 16:47.620 --> 16:53.720 It says a member of the public is not required as condition of attendance at any meeting to register his name, 16:53.720 --> 16:59.780 to supply information to complete a questionnaire or to fill other conditional proceedings 16:59.780 --> 17:01.280 to this attendance. 17:01.820 --> 17:06.780 A person seeking recognition at the meeting may be required to give his name and affiliation. 17:07.460 --> 17:09.000 I'm Jill Kaufman from Platt County. 17:09.560 --> 17:11.800 And you're number two on your rules. 17:12.160 --> 17:19.160 It breaches the contract and the statute because the statute does not say must sign in. 17:19.160 --> 17:23.560 And talking with the Office of Civil Rights, 17:23.820 --> 17:27.620 they say statute is not overruled by rules of the county. 17:28.000 --> 17:30.920 Just bringing you aware of it, thank you. 17:35.020 --> 17:35.720 Thanks Jill. 17:37.760 --> 17:38.780 Hang on one second. 17:39.400 --> 17:41.300 We need you to sign in if you would please Jill. 17:42.900 --> 17:44.920 I guess from this point on I'm not gonna allow you 17:44.920 --> 17:46.180 to speak, so thank you. 17:48.840 --> 17:54.040 Hello, Leticia Lane. I just had a quick comment on the definition, just the simpler the better, 17:54.280 --> 17:58.500 the first one is really good. I think when you add so much more in those other definitions, 17:58.500 --> 18:14.700 it actually creates more loopholes, if you know what I mean. If you know what I mean by that, 18:32.880 --> 18:34.780 Yeah, Rick Cronk, Chuglar, Wyoming. 18:35.840 --> 18:41.420 It seems more appropriate to me to call it a Daddus complex or prison. 18:42.220 --> 18:42.520 Thank you. 18:53.600 --> 18:56.120 Thank you. 19:05.770 --> 19:08.160 Morton Tillman, Wheatland, Wyoming. 19:08.160 --> 19:17.300 I propose we change the name from data center to control center because this is what these 19:17.300 --> 19:17.960 things are. 19:19.460 --> 19:25.640 They're going to control everything you do, the way you think, who you talk to. 19:26.640 --> 19:28.460 They're going to spy on you. 19:29.060 --> 19:30.140 This is what they are. 19:30.780 --> 19:32.360 They're not data centers. 19:33.080 --> 19:34.360 They're control centers. 19:35.400 --> 19:35.860 Thank you. 19:37.820 --> 19:38.460 Thanks, Mort. 19:40.160 --> 19:40.820 Anyone else? 19:44.000 --> 19:45.520 Anyone else? Any public comment? 19:48.000 --> 19:50.160 Okay, at this point I'll close it to public comment, 19:50.280 --> 19:52.020 bring it before the board for further discussion. 20:06.440 --> 20:13.220 J. Collins, I do think simpler is better. I don't think we have to have something nailed 20:13.220 --> 20:20.480 down that's going to be used forever. I think this document is changeable, just like every 20:20.480 --> 20:26.260 document we have. So if we make a mistake, or we can always come back and correct it. 20:27.180 --> 20:33.380 So I'm good with using the simpler, the first definition of a data center. I'm good with 20:33.380 --> 20:44.180 that. I have a question on that. I like the first one as well but I did like as 20:44.800 --> 20:58.440 defined but not limited to. I like that verbiage. Any any further board 20:58.440 --> 21:12.100 discussion. I would entertain a motion. We can do this one chapter at a time motion. 21:12.580 --> 21:16.740 It's probably clearer. Malcolm, thought? Clear? 21:17.520 --> 21:23.040 Yeah, I would just keep track of your changes as you go and then just clearly explain at 21:23.040 --> 21:28.340 the end what those changes would be and make a motion at the end. 21:29.180 --> 21:29.220 Yep. 21:30.180 --> 21:31.180 Yep, I got it. 21:32.140 --> 21:32.580 Okay. 21:32.620 --> 21:33.040 Thank you. 21:33.680 --> 21:34.800 We're going to move on. 21:38.820 --> 21:39.260 Yep. 21:40.240 --> 21:40.680 Okay. 21:40.740 --> 21:44.200 The next chapter is Chapter 6, Incorporating Data Centers. 21:44.460 --> 21:53.020 And I will be honest with you, the 6, 7, and 8 are what I came up with is really, I think, 21:53.040 --> 21:56.000 I do want to stop Malcolm right there. 21:57.240 --> 21:59.020 Regarding chapter 6 while we were in it, 21:59.840 --> 22:02.740 I don't know if we can or you want to, 22:02.900 --> 22:07.400 but I did highlight that first sentence in 6-5-10 purpose. 22:08.000 --> 22:12.300 That was to make it cohesive with the purpose in industrial. 22:13.240 --> 22:14.520 A little more uniform. 22:16.300 --> 22:17.620 I don't know if you want to look at that. 22:17.620 --> 22:31.980 Then on page 26 the next page down would be to include data centers required to go through special use permitting process as part of allowed uses. 22:33.100 --> 22:41.120 Of course, that's like one of the longest lists we have and then also and 65030 off-street parking requirements 22:42.120 --> 22:45.040 to add data centers as one of the 22:46.940 --> 22:48.060 26-mile 22:49.480 --> 22:53.620 Anyway to add data centers into the off-street parking requirements 22:54.140 --> 23:00.940 What I'm kind of seeing is is they do require special parking. I I don't know exactly 23:01.980 --> 23:08.280 it a lot. But if that requirement was not in there, then that might possibly be something 23:08.280 --> 23:12.580 that they would not have to submit in a special use permit in their site plan. That's the 23:12.580 --> 23:20.560 only reason I put that in there. And then 27 came up. One, all, just the new 23:20.560 --> 23:27.120 location of section 610-000 data centers. First point, all data centers are required 23:27.120 --> 23:30.180 required to go through the special use permitting process, see Chapter 3. 23:31.060 --> 23:35.560 The next bullet point data centers may require additional setback requirements and minimum 23:35.560 --> 23:39.660 lot size requirements and or may be required to be rezoned to industrial. 23:40.620 --> 23:44.660 Another bullet point, any power generation associated with the data center is required 23:44.660 --> 23:46.960 to obtain its own special use permit. 23:47.180 --> 23:54.000 I know we had heard that in public and had talked about it ourselves and I think that's 23:54.000 --> 23:59.320 a good point to make sure that the energy production, 23:59.780 --> 24:01.940 which is now a hot topic, 24:02.100 --> 24:04.460 it's the power for a data center campuses, 24:05.680 --> 24:08.380 to require that to be its own special use permit, 24:08.420 --> 24:10.380 not to wrap it into a data center permit. 24:11.280 --> 24:14.540 And then any qualifying application must first obtain 24:14.540 --> 24:16.860 the Wyoming Department of Energy Quality, 24:17.160 --> 24:21.060 Industrial Citing Division's jurisdiction exemption letter, 24:21.060 --> 24:28.420 or their permit prior to the first plan or their Wyoming DEQ ISC permit 24:28.420 --> 24:32.760 There are two types of permits prior to the first planning and zoning Commission meeting 24:33.580 --> 24:37.400 Everybody has shown a lot of interest 24:38.280 --> 24:43.560 For us to somehow incorporate a checks and balances between the county 24:45.260 --> 24:49.120 Requiring an entity to go through ISC 24:51.060 --> 24:57.580 don't have the authority to require them to go through the ISC. The ISC is mandated by the state as we all know and there are 24:57.580 --> 24:58.520 certain 24:59.180 --> 25:04.860 Triggered dollar amounts and and types of businesses that are required to go through there 25:04.860 --> 25:08.740 My understanding is is every data center 25:09.920 --> 25:15.620 Will qualify for the dollar amount to have to get this letter of exemption 25:15.620 --> 25:17.460 and jurisdictional exemption letter. 25:18.160 --> 25:21.320 So they're required to at least submit some paperwork 25:21.320 --> 25:26.360 to ISC and some data centers maybe in the future 25:26.860 --> 25:28.900 will qualify to go through ISC. 25:29.040 --> 25:30.700 If they don't do industrial 25:30.700 --> 25:32.540 and they just wanna keep the commercial, 25:33.320 --> 25:35.460 then yes, they're gonna have to get an ISC permit. 25:36.520 --> 25:40.980 So that's the quick way I came up with addressing that. 25:41.120 --> 25:42.000 I think it's important. 25:42.120 --> 25:43.300 It does help the county 25:45.960 --> 25:47.620 with the whole process. 25:49.720 --> 25:51.460 And to know that they've laid eyes on it 25:51.460 --> 25:53.240 is a little, makes me feel a little better. 25:53.480 --> 25:55.580 I don't know, I'm sure it makes everybody feel a little better. 25:55.900 --> 25:59.000 So those are the only adjustments for the commercial. 25:59.400 --> 26:03.400 And like I said, these are almost identical 26:03.400 --> 26:05.660 in the industrial and the RAM. 26:06.000 --> 26:10.980 The only thing I took out is the second bullet point 26:10.980 --> 26:13.120 is required to be rezoned to industrial. 26:13.300 --> 26:18.120 that was not necessary to put in the industrial zoned area but that's it 26:18.120 --> 26:18.700 thanks 26:31.640 --> 26:36.000 okay at this time I'll open it up to public comment again for kind of 26:36.000 --> 26:41.720 briefly what we just touched on if there's any public comment hi Katherine 26:43.300 --> 26:46.920 down at the ISD at their meeting a couple weeks ago. 26:47.940 --> 26:54.320 I specifically asked if data centers had to go through the process that wind farms and 26:54.320 --> 26:55.160 all that, and they don't. 26:56.120 --> 26:57.040 So we're on our own. 26:58.420 --> 26:59.980 It doesn't really matter the size. 27:03.720 --> 27:06.460 So it's the dollar amount of the investment. 27:06.760 --> 27:11.180 If it reaches, I think, the dollar amount is 280 or 290 million in change, whatever. 27:11.180 --> 27:16.220 They will have they're required to apply for a jurisdictional exemption letter 27:16.220 --> 27:22.760 There is something it's not going through the ISC 12 month 18 month process. There's two permits they can go for 27:23.580 --> 27:26.520 The jurisdictional exemption letter is one of them and then that 27:27.060 --> 27:31.900 Also gives the county a heads up. Hey, they did get a pass. So it's 27:31.900 --> 27:35.680 Yeah, okay. It's a little the other two permits at ISC 27:35.680 --> 27:40.480 So the exemption one exemption permit and then the regular permit got it. Yeah 27:41.180 --> 27:46.520 They don't go through where they have citizen parties, they have the 19 state agencies, 27:46.780 --> 27:50.280 all of that, because that's what I was, you know, I mean, it's still a rubber stamp. 27:50.680 --> 27:56.820 That's what it's, they've always said yes, but it's kind of the appearance of more protection, 27:57.240 --> 27:58.160 so, but they don't even. 27:58.280 --> 27:58.860 Correct, yeah. 27:59.300 --> 28:04.440 Yeah, the jurisdiction exemption letter, Catherine's correct, they do not go through, it's not 28:04.440 --> 28:06.860 the full process where they go through all the state agencies. 28:08.700 --> 28:14.260 I have a question for you Laura. I'm just trying to be courteous of our people 28:14.260 --> 28:18.260 that want to talk. Do you want them, once they've signed in, do they need to sign 28:18.260 --> 28:21.580 in every time and wish they want to speak or can they, once they're signed in 28:21.580 --> 28:24.560 they're good. What do you want? Once they're signed in they're good. That's 28:24.560 --> 28:27.220 fine. Okay. Just so everybody's on the same page. 28:30.600 --> 28:32.820 Listen to howchins for myself. 28:36.120 --> 28:40.280 So I want clarification from Laura on the exemption letter. 28:40.420 --> 28:41.860 That is not a permit. 28:42.100 --> 28:43.900 That is an exemption letter, correct? 28:46.560 --> 28:47.120 It's, yes. 28:47.640 --> 28:49.100 It's called a permit. 28:49.500 --> 28:51.620 There's two permits they apply for. 28:52.320 --> 28:54.480 One ends up with the ISE quote unquote permit. 28:54.580 --> 28:56.820 The other one ends up with an exemption letter. 28:57.220 --> 29:00.300 But they're called permit applications. 29:01.060 --> 29:11.680 So the exemption, I would assume, you said they have laid eyes on it, but they in no 29:11.680 --> 29:18.460 way would have any agency oversight as there is in the ISD process, correct? 29:18.960 --> 29:20.740 I am not with the ISC. 29:20.920 --> 29:23.320 I just know the generic general information. 29:23.320 --> 29:30.920 So if you wanted to get how much they go through and how much the application is I believe you can look at the applications online 29:30.920 --> 29:36.280 The permit applications. I believe they're online. I haven't looked at them because they're not something in my jurisdiction 29:36.280 --> 29:43.260 There's just everybody's been talking about as I mentioned somehow having the county incorporate ISC 29:43.940 --> 29:49.040 This is the way that I thought maybe we could get some kind of at least they get a look at it 29:49.040 --> 29:52.040 So if you want details on the ISC, I recommend go to their website 29:53.320 --> 29:55.060 But you've already done that right 29:57.320 --> 29:59.240 Because you know about these two 30:00.800 --> 30:03.900 My research is not applicable to 30:04.600 --> 30:09.220 Incorporating more than just that general information. So I don't I don't 30:11.300 --> 30:14.180 We know that the data centers 30:15.020 --> 30:19.580 Have not ever been in front of the ISD. We know that 30:19.580 --> 30:28.820 Okay, I mean Cheyenne that's an example. Okay, so my concern is we need a substitute for those 30:29.640 --> 30:35.260 Regulations to protect the county we're not protected environmentally. We're not protected a lot of ways 30:35.260 --> 30:41.680 So I think it would be a good idea to somehow bring those regulations into this into the county 30:41.680 --> 30:44.660 Regulations to somehow protect the county 30:45.620 --> 30:47.400 Otherwise, it's a free-for-all 30:47.400 --> 30:48.980 Thank you. 30:52.200 --> 31:03.000 It's my understanding, just because they don't go to the industrial siting council, they still have to have, they still go through the different agencies. 31:03.820 --> 31:15.920 And as this board, we can set our rules, our conditions for the rules on their permit to make sure that they follow all the steps as if they were going through the industrial siting council. 31:17.820 --> 31:22.020 So why we're here today if I if you think they need to go to game and fish 31:22.020 --> 31:25.840 That's what we're that's gonna be a condition not here today, but as we go forward 31:26.420 --> 31:29.560 This board the county commissioners the clerk the planner 31:29.560 --> 31:37.860 We're going to hopefully implement rules that make them follow the guidelines that we want not necessarily what industrial siting wants what we want 31:38.880 --> 31:40.160 Fire away Milo 31:42.220 --> 31:50.460 All I was going to say is I think that the second point on Section 6.10.000 data centers 31:50.460 --> 31:58.480 should be changed to a mandatory setback requirement because having a word may in there, it's essentially 31:58.480 --> 32:01.680 useless if you guys don't know what I'm saying with that. 32:02.240 --> 32:04.100 It doesn't really require anyone to do anything. 32:04.100 --> 32:10.960 And so unless it's changed to will or must or something like that some sort of mandatory word 32:10.960 --> 32:13.640 then it's not going to be 32:13.640 --> 32:15.600 Useful at all there, you know 32:16.960 --> 32:19.300 And I think I can answer that question 32:19.820 --> 32:24.780 Depending on the location and proximity of different things that leaves it at the board's discretion to 32:24.780 --> 32:29.420 May require additional setbacks if we leave it blanket as for one 32:30.200 --> 32:32.480 It's a blanket policy set for everything 32:34.100 --> 32:36.080 What I was actually getting at is, 32:39.660 --> 32:42.120 what if the board could put in, say, 32:42.260 --> 32:44.060 a one-mile setback or a half-mile setback 32:44.060 --> 32:45.900 or a one-and-a-half-mile setback 32:46.420 --> 32:47.940 as mandatory for data centers? 32:48.900 --> 32:50.040 Is that in your power, potentially? 32:51.100 --> 32:52.820 I would say it depends on where it is 32:53.220 --> 32:55.820 and the proximity of everything else around it, Milo. 32:56.000 --> 32:58.040 That's why I think we're wanting to have some flexibility. 32:59.460 --> 33:01.680 Just to me, it's not a one-size-fits-all. 33:02.160 --> 33:03.100 Yeah, but... 33:04.100 --> 33:08.380 If you put in a one mile setback then it would be a one mile setback for anything right like 33:08.380 --> 33:11.300 no matter what location and I 33:12.240 --> 33:17.480 Think that I think that that would be the most fair and equitable decision that you guys can make because then it would treat all 33:17.480 --> 33:19.440 citizens in all locales in the county 33:21.080 --> 33:25.680 Equally, thank you. Can I enter? Thank you. All right. Let me just interject. Sorry 33:26.440 --> 33:32.560 So we are incorporating into existing rules and regulations and we already have existing 33:34.100 --> 33:41.380 requirements in our commercial so what so we're addressing what's in this chapter so on 33:42.600 --> 33:47.980 The page before that page 26 the existing setback requirement for commercially zoned 33:49.460 --> 33:57.540 Projects is all permanent buildings shall be set back at least 30 feet from the public roadway easements or right-of-ways and 10 feet from adjacent property 33:57.540 --> 33:57.960 owners 33:57.960 --> 34:03.880 So my thought was including data centers may require additional set requirements and also 34:04.780 --> 34:06.000 and the minimum size 34:06.000 --> 34:12.580 Has to do only with the data and the requirements that we have in the current rules and regulations 34:12.580 --> 34:15.820 That's and then on to what chairman Marty said 34:16.820 --> 34:22.620 Okay, so then at some later point in this meeting. Will we be able to potentially modify those regulations for the setbacks? 34:23.760 --> 34:27.240 Specifically for data. I don't think the public will but I think the board will be 34:28.960 --> 34:29.800 public input, of course. 34:30.920 --> 34:31.720 Okay, thank you. 34:45.000 --> 34:46.440 Just one quick thing I was looking at, 34:46.720 --> 34:49.180 and I read through the proposed changes, 34:49.280 --> 34:51.200 I didn't read through them again today if she put anything, 34:51.500 --> 34:53.540 but when they were talking about, 34:54.880 --> 34:57.640 she had a thing in there that talked about 34:59.700 --> 35:09.100 jurisdiction. Just a thought on that 6.10 was that you could put something like the special use permit 35:09.100 --> 35:16.120 requirement applies regardless of how the property is subdivided or platted including the subdivision 35:16.120 --> 35:21.900 into an industrial park because we don't monitor those large acreages. So if it was already 35:21.900 --> 35:27.660 subdivided it may not be here if they're going to make a small scale one. And then the other thing 35:28.960 --> 35:32.500 like the DEQ and the industrial siting, 35:32.620 --> 35:33.440 that's good to have in there, 35:33.540 --> 35:36.100 but I was also looking at maybe putting 35:36.100 --> 35:40.420 any subsequent expansion of an approved data center server 35:40.420 --> 35:44.260 capacity power draw, however in depth you wanted to go, 35:44.440 --> 35:47.780 or just at all, beyond what was reviewed 35:47.780 --> 35:49.680 in the original special use permit, 35:50.160 --> 35:53.280 would require a new or amended special use permit. 35:53.660 --> 35:55.520 That way they don't get their special use permit, 35:55.520 --> 35:59.780 And then and maybe you want to put that in their special use permit requirements 35:59.780 --> 36:02.860 but if you add it into these requirements then if 36:02.860 --> 36:09.580 If not if you forgot or if something changed or maybe we missed it on a special use permit 36:09.580 --> 36:12.680 It would be in the requirements for data centers anyways 36:14.880 --> 36:23.080 Kayla mantle, sorry, I thought I did how about oh I got parts of what you said take five minutes to write it down 36:23.080 --> 36:23.700 Is that? 36:25.220 --> 36:30.900 Yeah, no, that's fine. I can do that. Think about what you said there kind of put it into a form that is simpler 36:31.380 --> 36:35.660 Yep, and maybe what you think and where it might be added. Okay. Yeah 36:35.660 --> 36:41.020 I mean, I think it could just go right under the six point one and it would just be you would put it right under the 36:41.020 --> 36:47.780 The any qualifying application must first obtain. Yeah, I would I would just put it under as another bullet point that just says that 36:47.780 --> 36:49.300 any change to their 36:49.300 --> 36:53.540 original special use permit would have to get a subsequent special use permit. 36:54.940 --> 36:58.560 And then the larger acreage one for the industrial park is what worries me 36:58.560 --> 37:02.300 because say this one was zoned an industrial park and there was no data 37:02.300 --> 37:06.840 center involved and then we don't monitor those large acreages like we do 37:07.520 --> 37:12.880 you know a simple subdivision and so I think that leaves a gap maybe where they 37:12.880 --> 37:16.720 can say well it's a large acreage subdivision and it could just fall 37:16.720 --> 37:21.820 through the cracks. So I think if we just tighten that up a little bit then that might be helpful. 37:23.000 --> 37:23.860 Thank you. 37:26.940 --> 37:42.700 I think there's some things that need to be implemented as well. The data that was given on site layer four this small little square inside that big old huge thing all the numbers that are given for usage and everything else in the permit. 37:42.700 --> 37:47.040 they want to start with that piece. And once they don't zone that industrial 37:47.040 --> 37:51.200 right like you guys have, they're gonna build on and add more and more. I think 37:51.200 --> 37:55.160 that there needs to be special permits for every time they want to expand the 37:55.160 --> 38:00.980 land or use anything more that it needs to be, it needs to be come before you 38:00.980 --> 38:04.820 guys and needs to be talked to the community about it before they can just 38:04.820 --> 38:14.720 do it. Not to mention, not to mention that we need before they can do all that, I think 38:14.720 --> 38:20.020 that our own people outside, they should be funding it with the permits that they're paying 38:20.020 --> 38:25.640 for for us to do our own studies, to hire our own people, not the fox watching the hen 38:25.640 --> 38:29.140 house. You know what I mean? Of course they're going to put their people in there and doing 38:29.140 --> 38:34.720 whatever studies they want to make it sound good, we need our own people, outside people. 38:36.420 --> 38:40.960 The information could be skewed from these companies. Trust me, they have lots of money 38:40.960 --> 38:45.460 out here already skewing things already. So I think it'd be important for us before they 38:45.460 --> 38:50.300 try to make any more expansions and that industrial zoning, that they got to come to the people, 38:50.800 --> 38:54.880 they got to discuss it before everybody, and we got to vote on it. Doesn't mean they can 38:54.880 --> 38:58.240 go out there and just turn that whole place into some industrial park and 38:58.240 --> 39:01.780 eventually the numbers that you're giving you on that is times you know 50 39:01.780 --> 39:09.200 or times a thousand. Josh you don't have to leave but that's that's exactly what 39:09.200 --> 39:13.820 we did the last meeting. Anything they do on that property they come to us for a 39:13.820 --> 39:17.400 special use permit we're going to know. That's why I think if you were here I 39:17.400 --> 39:20.700 made the comment that's probably the most restricted piece of property in 39:20.700 --> 39:21.480 of Black County today. 39:21.960 --> 39:23.940 That's what we're trying to accomplish 39:23.940 --> 39:25.860 is put some rules and protection 39:25.860 --> 39:27.380 for the citizens of Black County. 39:27.640 --> 39:29.420 I still think it needs to go before the people. 39:31.740 --> 39:33.440 Listen, nothing gets you guys, 39:33.660 --> 39:35.120 but I don't think all your decisions are good 39:35.120 --> 39:36.740 and I think the people need to know about it. 39:37.280 --> 39:38.860 You know, like everything's being done in secret. 39:39.920 --> 39:43.940 For example, I just FOIA'd some information from Malcolm. 39:44.660 --> 39:48.880 There's actually no interaction between you, 39:50.700 --> 39:53.200 between all these companies, that's amazing. 39:53.900 --> 39:55.880 The fact that there is no traceable data 39:55.880 --> 39:59.820 for your guys' interactions between people is amazing. 40:00.880 --> 40:02.660 There should be traceable. 40:02.820 --> 40:05.120 Josh, we're gonna stop that there, 40:05.240 --> 40:08.180 but I can assure you there's no interactive 40:08.180 --> 40:10.640 between me and a data center, none. 40:11.540 --> 40:12.340 That's not my job. 40:12.700 --> 40:14.320 And at this point, we're done. 40:14.600 --> 40:16.260 Thank you, sit down, we're gonna move on. 40:17.020 --> 40:18.300 Oh, of course you don't wanna hear about that. 40:19.220 --> 40:20.240 That's not what we're here for. 40:20.700 --> 40:25.200 down. We're done. Okay. Thank you. We still want to see your guys your permit 40:25.200 --> 40:30.560 that that that nullifies you from setting yourself out on that site layer 40:30.560 --> 40:33.720 for deal. That's your family member by the way. You said you had something that 40:33.720 --> 40:40.720 exempts you. We'd like to see that. I had a letter from the county attorney. I'm 40:40.720 --> 40:46.260 sure we can make that. I'm sure we can make that public for you. 40:49.080 --> 40:51.780 along with the power generation, all those kind of things. 40:52.260 --> 40:53.120 I just have a question. 40:54.820 --> 40:57.220 A lot of them tell you to bring your own and all that kind of thing, 40:57.260 --> 41:01.260 but they're going to be using at least some supplemental electricity 41:01.260 --> 41:02.700 and then gas and water. 41:03.580 --> 41:06.560 My question is whether we can add into the regulations 41:07.860 --> 41:11.160 that data centers publish publicly, 41:11.160 --> 41:13.900 you know water gas and electric usage on some 41:15.460 --> 41:16.100 Monthly 41:17.260 --> 41:24.620 semiannually or otherwise basis so that we know it's a big issue with a lot of people so we could see those and 41:25.160 --> 41:28.060 For accountability transparency type reasons 41:28.680 --> 41:31.680 Okay. Thank you. Thanks 41:31.680 --> 41:36.480 Any other public comment on this section that we're addressing right now 41:42.940 --> 41:45.020 Okay, any other public comment? 41:45.980 --> 41:50.700 At this time I'll close it to public comment, bring it before the board for further discussion 41:50.700 --> 41:51.540 on this section. 42:07.800 --> 42:14.980 I'm going to read what Kayla wrote or tried to try to read it a special use permit requirement 42:14.980 --> 42:21.420 applies to regardless of how the property is subdivided or platted, including subdivision 42:21.420 --> 42:28.740 into an industrial park and regardless of the term used to describe the use or any application 42:28.740 --> 42:29.800 plat or lease. 42:31.040 --> 42:37.360 The second one she wrote was any subsequent expansion of an improved data center, server 42:37.360 --> 42:46.560 capacity, power draw, or cooling infrastructure beyond what was reviewed in the original SUP 42:48.900 --> 42:52.620 requires also or an amended special use permit. 42:55.180 --> 42:56.640 Kayla, where are you at? 42:57.540 --> 43:05.800 And you were wanting to add some form of that verbiage on the end of section 6.1? 43:10.240 --> 43:11.280 I'll pass this down. 43:11.400 --> 43:12.280 You guys can read it. 43:12.280 --> 43:17.280 I mean, we can adopt it or use it, not use it, 43:17.400 --> 43:18.660 just board's discussion. 44:25.280 --> 44:27.000 Okay, can I ask you another question? 44:29.200 --> 44:34.060 On the comments you wrote, my question would also be the same one Bonnie had. 44:36.220 --> 44:39.640 Regardless of the acreage, we need to add that into, 44:39.840 --> 44:42.180 I think you're number two, 44:42.400 --> 44:44.500 because if it's larger than 35 acres, 44:45.340 --> 44:47.000 they still need a special use permit, 44:47.140 --> 44:49.840 but it's a lot harder for them, 44:50.060 --> 44:52.320 for us, for the county to know what's going on. 44:54.800 --> 44:58.220 So if we could add, in my opinion, 44:58.780 --> 45:00.480 a form of acreage in there. 45:01.520 --> 45:09.160 I mean, I'm open for my, what do you guys think? 45:14.680 --> 45:16.900 About what? Sorry. Microphones, please. 45:17.240 --> 45:19.600 Bonnie, microphone. Your favorite, please. 45:19.600 --> 45:33.240 I thought you had a note somewhere about the large acre parcels that we don't somewhere. 45:36.600 --> 45:39.000 That was in the rezone. 45:39.960 --> 45:40.900 We talked about that. 45:41.760 --> 45:45.560 So yes, our county does not monitor large acre parcels. 45:46.420 --> 45:46.800 They are. 45:47.040 --> 45:47.740 It's a statutory. 45:49.600 --> 45:50.960 have to go by state statute. 45:53.480 --> 45:55.920 So I mean, you definitely could include an acreage, 45:56.020 --> 45:58.400 but if you want to. 45:58.760 --> 46:00.040 But regardless, just like you said, 46:00.180 --> 46:03.280 if somebody is going to do a power generation, 46:03.640 --> 46:05.500 any kind of data center, they have 46:05.500 --> 46:06.600 to get a special use permit. 46:07.100 --> 46:11.220 So I mean, you could have it on 5,344 acres, 46:11.340 --> 46:13.200 and you're going to have to get a special use permit. 46:13.860 --> 46:16.680 I think the main thing there that I want, 46:16.700 --> 46:18.200 and I would say everybody in our county 46:19.600 --> 46:25.620 No matter what we need to put the word out on our website and we need a special use permit 46:25.620 --> 46:28.960 Whether it's 10 acres or whether it's 200 acres 46:29.760 --> 46:31.520 correct, and that's 46:31.520 --> 46:36.440 Yeah by limiting by I think by stating acreage on here 46:37.080 --> 46:39.060 You're now you're 46:39.060 --> 46:40.560 Now you're getting a little 46:41.320 --> 46:46.380 In a gray area Malcolm any thoughts on that. Will you read the condition again that you're 46:47.380 --> 46:48.240 Considering 46:51.540 --> 46:58.280 Okay any subsequent expansion of an approved data center 46:58.820 --> 47:01.120 centers server capacity 47:01.560 --> 47:07.620 Powerdraw or cooling infrastructure beyond what was reviewed in the original SUP 47:08.360 --> 47:11.140 requires a new or amended SUP 47:13.260 --> 47:17.260 I'll bring this and then was there a part about 47:18.100 --> 47:19.260 industrial park 47:22.060 --> 47:27.760 No, that was in the first comment that she wrote okay what read that one a special use permit 47:28.460 --> 47:33.120 requirement applies regardless of how the property is subdivided or 47:40.400 --> 47:41.120 platted 47:43.140 --> 47:44.600 flat or lease. 47:53.920 --> 47:55.640 Gentlemen microphones please. 47:57.380 --> 47:57.520 Sorry. 47:58.200 --> 47:59.100 So let me just interact. 47:59.380 --> 48:04.060 So the number the first bullet point up there all data centers are required to go through 48:04.060 --> 48:05.620 the special use permitting process. 48:05.620 --> 48:08.980 Do you need yeah, I don't know if you want to 48:10.680 --> 48:11.160 Specify 48:11.160 --> 48:15.220 Gridges and subdivisions at that point. It doesn't matter. I mean like 48:15.940 --> 48:19.560 The data center that could go in the town of Wheatland 48:20.820 --> 48:24.760 Inside the town is gonna require a special use permit. Well, okay, that's a bad example 48:24.760 --> 48:28.060 But say say that the house across the street, which is in the county 48:28.540 --> 48:34.620 Somebody buys that 40 30 20 whatever acres they're gonna have to get a special use permit 48:35.620 --> 48:40.860 matter what the size of the land is for a data center, even if it's a small data center 48:40.860 --> 48:43.820 related to, you know, fiber optics. 48:45.500 --> 48:50.220 So what you're saying, lawyers, we've already got that covered in the first one, pretty 48:50.220 --> 48:50.540 much. 48:50.940 --> 48:52.060 I would think so. 48:54.020 --> 48:54.560 Malcolm thinks so, too. 48:54.580 --> 48:59.880 On the first one, it's just like blanket all data centers are required to go through the 48:59.880 --> 49:00.360 special use permit. 49:00.360 --> 49:11.380 permit. Her second bullet point, Kayla's second bullet point, I like that a lot. It would 49:11.380 --> 49:16.420 be something that would, to me, would go on a special use permit as a condition, but having 49:16.420 --> 49:22.400 it in something like that in the rules and regulations, they know up front that, hey, 49:22.440 --> 49:26.320 you're going to have to get another permit if you want to do something. I like that. 49:26.320 --> 49:33.780 And that's what you guys decided earlier is when we when you first read it I passed it down the way number two is what? 49:34.100 --> 49:34.940 Everybody's favorite was 49:36.620 --> 49:43.400 Okay, my only suggestion in there instead of using the word reviewed I would say approved 49:44.600 --> 49:48.600 Because they could have asked for one thing and then the special use permit authorized 49:49.260 --> 49:54.620 Other things so just to make it clear that they're approved special use permit should they deviate? 50:07.460 --> 50:11.760 If site layer four comes in and they build this and they get their special use permit 50:11.760 --> 50:15.880 and follow all their rules and we have it in their regulations and then say they sell 50:17.020 --> 50:22.400 and this person says, oh, we've already got everything and then all of a sudden they want 50:22.400 --> 50:26.460 to do some quote unquote upgrades and they want to put better power in or something and 50:27.320 --> 50:28.800 come in and get a special use permit. 50:29.020 --> 50:31.240 So I think the more we can put it in the rules, 50:31.480 --> 50:34.220 I think it should go on their special use permit, 50:37.200 --> 50:40.120 but I'm just trying to protect us from things in the future. 50:40.200 --> 50:41.760 If they don't follow or they don't get 50:41.760 --> 50:44.180 a new special use permit, which they're supposed to do, 50:44.180 --> 50:45.760 but we know how that goes sometimes, 50:46.220 --> 50:47.960 then if it's in our rules and regulations, 50:48.060 --> 50:51.220 they also know, hey, you have to go in and get this. 50:52.140 --> 50:54.400 Just kind of double dipping it. 50:57.320 --> 51:03.780 that way. This is kind of what happened on the last data center that we just approved last time. 51:06.200 --> 51:13.620 This is what we kind of had happen. We use this as a condition on the data center that we just 51:13.620 --> 51:22.640 approved, correct? More or less, yeah. So basically we're just putting it in the rules 51:23.980 --> 51:27.740 So we don't miss it as a condition as they get to approving them. 51:27.960 --> 51:28.340 Agree. 51:29.040 --> 51:30.860 I'm good with just doing number two. 51:31.560 --> 51:32.400 I have a question real quick. 51:32.900 --> 51:34.080 Who's going to enforce this? 51:35.360 --> 51:38.600 What role or what job are we going to be creating to enforce this? 51:39.500 --> 51:43.620 Well, hopefully, Josh, it's just like every other person in this country. 51:44.060 --> 51:49.420 Hopefully they have enough fortitude and moxie and goodwill about them that they play by 51:49.420 --> 51:49.800 the rules. 51:49.800 --> 51:56.560 Well, I know that we know we're not we're not we're not an enforcement agency what I'm asking as as as the citizen here is 51:56.560 --> 52:01.100 Who's gonna enforce it who's gonna go check them to make sure that they're they're falling within the rules 52:02.440 --> 52:04.000 We'll figure it out 52:04.480 --> 52:09.300 You can't be a bully in this situation. We're asking you questions answer them Josh. We're done. Thank you 52:17.460 --> 52:19.520 No, we'll just do this at the end 52:19.800 --> 52:21.980 Just like we did 52:29.280 --> 52:34.680 Can I make a formatting suggestion I think you've moved on past that one so 52:36.480 --> 52:42.500 At suggestion that section six dot zero five dot zero two zero the last 52:42.500 --> 52:45.240 One I think it could get confusing 52:45.240 --> 52:54.840 So in every other section that has special use permit uses it's subsection 0 3 0. 52:55.600 --> 53:07.500 So my suggestion would be created 0 3 0 would be special use permit uses whatever it says in the other sections and just renumber off street parking is 0 8 0. 53:08.920 --> 53:12.580 So then you would move data center into special use category. 53:12.580 --> 53:24.700 So if you look at all the other areas of your code when you're saying it's an allowed use with a special use permit it's got a special section to make it clear it's not just automatically allowed. 53:25.900 --> 53:29.640 And so just a small formatting thing to be consistent throughout the code. 53:33.260 --> 53:45.400 And I do think you have a decision point tell me if I'm wrong but I think you have a decision point on what the off street parking requirements are or those determined on a case by case basis. 53:49.720 --> 53:52.500 Laura, what was your intent on the off-street parking? 53:54.720 --> 53:59.580 I mean, basically, when I went and toured the couple that I toured, all the parking's 53:59.580 --> 54:00.400 in-house. 54:00.800 --> 54:02.920 I wouldn't call it off-street, but... 54:02.920 --> 54:03.320 Okay. 54:03.900 --> 54:05.240 I have not seen one. 54:05.740 --> 54:08.760 It's in the campus. 54:10.020 --> 54:10.460 Gotcha. 54:12.100 --> 54:20.360 So it was like, okay, I was just looking at retail, theaters, rental, restaurants, maybe it's not necessary. 54:21.000 --> 54:23.380 Maybe you're not going to get enough public. 54:24.120 --> 54:27.260 Maybe it's, yeah, it may not need to be in there for that. 54:27.880 --> 54:34.200 And I love Malcolm's thought on the formatting, changing it to be more cohesive with the other chapters. 54:36.780 --> 54:45.300 Okay, thank you. Malcolm, do you want, I know you said to do these motions at the end, but 54:45.300 --> 54:51.860 do you want to do them by chapters so we don't forget where we are? And if I can't read my 54:51.860 --> 54:54.900 writing the scribbles that Kayla wrote down or... 54:54.900 --> 55:04.180 That, it is totally up to you all, however you'd like to run it. 55:04.200 --> 55:12.840 And what did she say and and I don't I maybe I should clarify so I don't think you need a motion on the table of contents 55:12.840 --> 55:13.800 because 55:14.500 --> 55:17.020 That's just a guide for what your sections are 55:17.620 --> 55:23.360 And so as you go through and work sections like if your motion in section six is to move 55:23.360 --> 55:27.130 off street parking to a new subsection zero eight zero and 55:27.820 --> 55:31.100 Rename zero three zero is allowed uses 55:34.320 --> 55:41.720 uses allowed with special use permit, that would just be part of your motion. And then 55:41.720 --> 55:47.960 the table of contents would be updated accordingly. However you want to operate it. 55:48.240 --> 55:55.640 Can't we just go through and approve like Section 6? 55:56.540 --> 55:57.200 Chapter 6. 55:57.480 --> 55:57.940 Chapter 6. 55:58.160 --> 56:06.620 with the changes that we've made just right now and then move on to seven. So I would 56:06.620 --> 56:15.880 move that we adopt the changes that we have made as well as adding that one Caleb come 56:15.880 --> 56:19.520 up with for chapter six. 56:22.040 --> 56:25.580 Were you interested in also doing the formatting change? 56:25.580 --> 56:26.180 Yes. 56:26.320 --> 56:26.760 Okay. 56:27.080 --> 56:29.220 All the changes that we talked about. 56:29.760 --> 56:29.880 Okay. 56:30.860 --> 56:32.920 Do you still want to incorporate all four of those? 56:34.000 --> 56:34.440 Yes. 56:36.820 --> 56:37.800 I'll second that. 56:38.020 --> 56:38.760 Oh, sorry. 56:39.280 --> 56:42.500 Before I second it, did you want to delete the data centers out of the parking? 56:43.600 --> 56:45.500 It's not going to hurt anything being in there. 56:45.960 --> 56:45.980 Okay. 56:46.100 --> 56:47.160 Yeah, it's not going to hurt anything. 56:47.220 --> 56:47.680 All right. 56:47.800 --> 56:48.780 It's there again. 56:48.880 --> 56:50.600 It's a safeguard for us going forward. 56:50.600 --> 56:54.980 if such a thing arises where they're not on campus, 56:56.200 --> 56:58.120 we've still got something to fall back on. 56:58.200 --> 57:01.560 If we take it out, I'd say we leave that. 57:01.980 --> 57:04.300 Could I suggest on that then 57:04.300 --> 57:05.780 because it's just kind of hanging out there. 57:05.840 --> 57:07.680 It doesn't tell you what the requirement is. 57:08.500 --> 57:11.140 So data centers determined on it 57:12.220 --> 57:14.920 as a condition of the special use permit. 57:15.360 --> 57:18.180 Something along those lines to let people know 57:18.180 --> 57:21.900 how the number of parking spaces are figured 57:22.620 --> 57:25.260 is it's gonna be taken on a case by case basis 57:25.260 --> 57:27.140 through the special use permit process. 57:29.040 --> 57:31.240 So they'll know they have to have off-street parking, 57:31.820 --> 57:33.500 but the number of spaces will be determined 57:34.100 --> 57:34.980 by the commission. 57:42.160 --> 57:43.720 So what are you recommending, Woody? 57:45.060 --> 57:46.320 Because if I read it right now, 57:48.180 --> 57:50.100 street parking requirement is. 57:50.400 --> 57:53.720 So data centers subject to conditions 57:53.720 --> 57:54.720 of special use permit. 58:02.140 --> 58:02.540 Okay. 58:03.560 --> 58:05.700 I have a motion on the floor 58:07.600 --> 58:10.340 and seconded to approve chapter six 58:11.460 --> 58:12.640 with the second, 58:12.640 --> 58:22.520 Any subsequent expansion of an approved data center, server capacity, power draw or cooling 58:22.520 --> 58:31.500 infrastructure beyond what was approved, we're going to change that word from reviewed to 58:31.500 --> 58:36.500 approved, and the original SUP requires a new or amended SUP. 58:39.300 --> 58:50.100 And then reformatting the data center in the commercial classification for the right numbers. 58:50.100 --> 59:04.020 and then to determine off-street parking subject to the time and size of the project. 59:08.140 --> 59:10.880 Or subject to conditions in the special use permit. 59:14.380 --> 59:17.260 Who said what there? I missed it. 59:17.260 --> 59:22.340 For the parking, Malcolm correct me if I'm wrong, data centers subject to 59:22.340 --> 59:29.880 conditions and special use permit. Right. Yeah I could get behind that. 59:30.460 --> 59:35.400 Subject to the conditions in the special use permit. Malcolm can you read that 59:35.400 --> 59:41.860 back in some form? On just the off-street parking portion? No, just kind of what 59:41.860 --> 59:48.580 the motion was or Laura. Yeah, that'd be Laura. She's the minute taker for this meeting. 59:49.300 --> 59:56.340 Yeah. Okay. So I have Bill did it first and Jay seconded that we are going to make the 59:56.340 --> 01:00:06.040 changes on the first page of chapter 6. We're going to add data centers for 6.10.000 that 01:00:06.040 --> 01:00:10.720 that we are going to change on the same page 01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:14.420 under 60510 purpose, make it uniform 01:00:15.060 --> 01:00:17.720 so the verbiage will read for the first sentence there. 01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:20.180 These regulations specify minimum requirements 01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:22.360 for development of class three land 01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:24.160 to allow for firefighting capacity, 01:00:24.660 --> 01:00:27.880 good circulation, parking, and a competitive living 01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:29.920 and working environment, et cetera. 01:00:30.520 --> 01:00:35.840 On the second page, we are going to remove 01:00:36.040 --> 01:00:43.480 data centers from the allowed uses and make its own section under section 7 0 5 0 3 0 01:00:45.940 --> 01:00:46.660 Called 01:00:47.700 --> 01:00:53.600 Uses allowed with a special use permit including but not limited to and then we will say data centers 01:00:53.600 --> 01:01:02.360 Then we will amend section six five zero three zero off-site parking requirements to read section six zero five 01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:11.740 5 0 8 0 off street parking sections and add data centers dot-dot subject to conditions and special use permits and on the last page 01:01:11.740 --> 01:01:13.080 we will 01:01:14.380 --> 01:01:19.360 Add the for presented which is section 6 10 0 0 0 data centers 01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:24.420 All data centers are required to go through the special use permitting process see chapter 3 01:01:24.420 --> 01:01:33.020 Second point, data centers may require additional setback requirements and minimum lot size requirements and or may be required to be rezoned to industrial. 01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:39.860 Number three, any power generation associated with the data center is required to obtain its own special use permit. 01:01:40.460 --> 01:01:50.340 Number four, any qualifying application must first obtain Wyoming Department of Environmental Quality Industrial Siding Division's jurisdiction exemption letter. 01:01:50.340 --> 01:01:59.040 or the WIDQ-ISE permit prior to the first planning and zoning meeting and number 5, 01:01:59.680 --> 01:02:04.020 I do not have Kayla's verbiage in front of me if you wouldn't mind reading that. 01:02:04.700 --> 01:02:11.820 Any subsequent expansion of an approved data center, server capacity, power draw or cooling 01:02:11.820 --> 01:02:18.920 infrastructure beyond what was approved in the original S.U.P. requires a new or amended 01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:19.640 S.U.P. 01:02:20.500 --> 01:02:21.180 That's all. 01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:27.000 And I have a motion that it's on the floor. 01:02:27.060 --> 01:02:27.940 It's been seconded. 01:02:27.940 --> 01:02:29.280 Any further discussion? 01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:35.420 Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. 01:02:36.380 --> 01:02:36.500 Aye. 01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:37.820 Carried. 01:02:40.120 --> 01:02:43.840 I'm going to come grab that real quick so I don't lose that Kayla's paper. 01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:03.820 And can we go ahead and go back to Chapter 2 and get that voted on for the definition, 01:03:04.180 --> 01:03:04.480 please? 01:03:05.080 --> 01:03:05.440 Pretty please. 01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:06.000 Pretty please. 01:03:07.700 --> 01:03:08.440 You didn't hear me? 01:03:08.780 --> 01:03:09.440 Oh, sorry. 01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:12.260 Could we go back to Chapter 2 if we're going to approve that definition? 01:03:12.560 --> 01:03:15.280 Might as well do that too real quick and then we can not have to backtrack. 01:03:27.540 --> 01:03:32.000 So I so move that we accept the first definition. 01:03:37.060 --> 01:03:39.680 Do you want me to read it again? 01:03:41.200 --> 01:03:41.560 Okay. 01:03:42.020 --> 01:03:43.140 Yeah, perfect. 01:03:43.140 --> 01:03:50.940 A physical facility or building that houses network computer servers, data storage devices, 01:03:51.660 --> 01:03:57.560 IT infrastructure used to store, process, and share digital information as defined but 01:03:57.560 --> 01:03:58.600 not limited to? 01:04:03.260 --> 01:04:10.060 Put the as defined but not limited to in the front data centers and then dot as defined 01:04:10.060 --> 01:04:11.780 but not limited to physical. 01:04:13.720 --> 01:04:26.880 Amy made Amy made I 01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:28.640 Have a motion on the floor to approve that 01:04:31.220 --> 01:04:33.080 Any further discussion 01:04:36.720 --> 01:04:41.900 Hearing none all those in favor signify by saying aye aye carried 01:04:44.600 --> 01:04:46.580 We're going to move into Chapter 7. 01:04:48.040 --> 01:04:48.680 Okay. 01:04:49.040 --> 01:04:49.820 Chapter 7. 01:04:51.800 --> 01:05:06.080 Again, on the first page, page 28, some uniformity adding 7, 0, 5, 0, 5, 0 addresses. 01:05:09.520 --> 01:05:19.880 then correcting the numbering right below it, it should be 705-060 minimum, adding data 01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:22.840 centers at 710-000. 01:05:23.940 --> 01:05:32.200 And the other thing on that page, I would like to remove the note right below section 01:05:32.200 --> 01:05:40.380 7 0 5 0 3 0 allowed uses of special use permits including but not limited to the note I 01:05:40.380 --> 01:05:42.480 proposed to remove is 01:05:43.040 --> 01:05:44.620 in brackets note 01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:47.920 projects in existing industrial districts 01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:54.980 Which are underway prior to adoption of these regulations do not require a special use permit to development to develop 01:05:54.980 --> 01:05:57.820 I would like to remove that note 01:05:59.580 --> 01:06:01.000 Then the other 01:06:02.200 --> 01:06:10.080 Page 22 is data centers and it says see section 7.10.000 for details. 01:06:11.020 --> 01:06:20.100 Then the addressing is written out section 705050 addresses any buildings shall be clearly 01:06:20.100 --> 01:06:26.460 numbered so that postal emergency and police services can easily identify them correcting 01:06:26.460 --> 01:06:31.480 the numbering for the section for 7.05060. 01:06:32.500 --> 01:06:40.020 In there I also found that we were missing under that the third bullet point down requirements 01:06:40.020 --> 01:06:42.420 of federal AND was missing. 01:06:42.680 --> 01:06:48.480 So we want to have a copy of all approved permits needed to meet the requirements of 01:06:49.040 --> 01:06:53.600 federal and Wyoming state agencies for their review of proposed development. 01:06:53.600 --> 01:06:57.280 and Federal and AND were not in there before. 01:06:58.660 --> 01:07:07.820 The next page at the top under that same area, a vicinity map showing distance from current 01:07:07.820 --> 01:07:16.060 habitable structures within one mile was not specified further below in that same section. 01:07:16.560 --> 01:07:21.560 Measures to be employed for ground and surface water protection, including secondary containment 01:07:22.560 --> 01:07:22.700 applicable 01:07:23.560 --> 01:07:28.960 Looking to add that and then the other one would be notification to property owners 01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:33.780 Sell include those within one mile radius of the properties boundaries 01:07:33.780 --> 01:07:39.540 Then we go down to the next bullet point and then again add the applicant is 01:07:39.540 --> 01:07:44.090 Responsible to meet all permitting requirements of federal and Wyoming blah blah blah 01:07:45.120 --> 01:07:48.500 page 31 adding the data centers 01:07:48.500 --> 01:07:54.220 This verbiage is slightly different because we are in the industrial classification. 01:07:55.100 --> 01:08:07.400 So I did remove that off of the second bullet point that we just went through. 01:08:08.340 --> 01:08:15.420 So as it reads section 7.10.000 data centers, first point, all data centers are required 01:08:15.420 --> 01:08:17.540 required to go through the special use permitting process, 01:08:17.820 --> 01:08:18.500 see chapter three. 01:08:19.120 --> 01:08:21.360 Next bullet point, data centers may require 01:08:21.360 --> 01:08:22.640 additional setback requirements 01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:24.360 and minimum lot size requirements. 01:08:25.240 --> 01:08:27.440 Number three, any power generation associated 01:08:27.440 --> 01:08:29.700 with the data center is required to obtain 01:08:29.700 --> 01:08:31.100 its own special use permit. 01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:34.440 Number four, any qualifying application 01:08:34.740 --> 01:08:37.200 must first obtain Wyoming, et cetera, 01:08:37.440 --> 01:08:38.960 literally verbatim from the other one. 01:08:40.020 --> 01:08:41.940 And based upon what we just approved, 01:08:41.940 --> 01:08:48.700 What was just approved on the commercial and the suggestion that Kayla had had I would like to add 01:08:48.700 --> 01:08:54.860 Keep it uniform. So the only thing that would change on that back section would be removed and in dust in the industrial 01:08:55.540 --> 01:08:59.510 Zoning because we are actually in the industrial zoning chapter. That's why that was removed there 01:09:08.400 --> 01:09:11.420 At this time I'll open up to public comment on this section 01:09:13.240 --> 01:09:14.360 Thank you. 01:09:16.760 --> 01:09:19.680 I think it's the third bullet down. 01:09:20.480 --> 01:09:21.760 Please say your name, Lucinda. 01:09:22.020 --> 01:09:23.560 Lucinda Houchins for myself. 01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:34.540 I think it says any power generation associated with the data center is required to obtain its own special use permit. 01:09:38.620 --> 01:09:48.060 So does the county permit, let's say they do solar, do you guys permit that? Does the county permit 01:09:48.060 --> 01:10:00.850 that or does that go to DEQ? Does wind go to DEQ? Does geothermal go to DEQ? I think just the 01:10:00.850 --> 01:10:05.050 on that one should be any power generation associated 01:10:07.030 --> 01:10:10.450 may have to go to the DEQ 01:10:11.470 --> 01:10:13.250 instead of your special use permit. 01:10:13.570 --> 01:10:15.850 Can you special use permit power? 01:10:17.190 --> 01:10:19.850 Or is that, do you understand my question? 01:10:20.350 --> 01:10:22.510 I see clarification on that, thank you. 01:10:23.110 --> 01:10:24.970 Don't leave because I have a question. 01:10:26.970 --> 01:10:29.770 So are you thinking you want us to add 01:10:30.850 --> 01:10:37.290 generation associated with the data center is required to obtain its only 01:10:37.290 --> 01:10:42.530 yes special use permit and DEQ permit tell me what you tell me what you want 01:10:42.530 --> 01:10:49.690 or what you're what you're getting at. My understanding is that power generation 01:10:51.330 --> 01:10:58.850 is only permitted through the DEQ that the county doesn't do that. Is that your 01:11:00.850 --> 01:11:03.970 Think by us putting it in our regulations though there again 01:11:03.970 --> 01:11:11.030 It gives us a little more power to hopefully try and regulate what's going on on your neighbor's property or your property or my property 01:11:11.030 --> 01:11:13.250 Or Bill's property I? 01:11:13.270 --> 01:11:14.170 Think it's a safeguard 01:11:17.070 --> 01:11:19.190 So what's going to happen when 01:11:19.190 --> 01:11:27.050 For instance, let's say site layer four wants to do gas generators. Let's just imagine that and 01:11:27.050 --> 01:11:33.650 And we know the amount is over a certain amount it would qualify for state 01:11:34.390 --> 01:11:35.430 DEQ oversight 01:11:37.650 --> 01:11:42.010 But if you have here well you just have to get a special use permit from the county I 01:11:42.950 --> 01:11:48.570 Think it's just making sure that we know what's going on. They're still gonna have to get a permit from the DEQ Lucinda 01:11:49.510 --> 01:11:51.650 We're not circumventing that stage 01:11:54.870 --> 01:11:59.650 Okay, so what's your special use you're gonna do you have a special use permit then for the power 01:12:00.710 --> 01:12:02.230 any power generation 01:12:03.470 --> 01:12:07.630 Okay, just so we know what's going on on the property. That's it 01:12:09.390 --> 01:12:15.270 But they would first have to go to the state to go through that process correct, I'm sure they will 01:12:15.850 --> 01:12:18.770 Okay, we just want to know we want to be involved 01:12:19.370 --> 01:12:23.530 I know but it just sounds like all they have to do here is get a special use permit 01:12:23.790 --> 01:12:28.490 I'm saying so that they're exempted from going to the DQ. That's all I'm saying 01:12:28.490 --> 01:12:32.790 Our rules can be stronger than the state but they can be no more relaxed 01:12:32.790 --> 01:12:35.990 So if they have if the state requires them to do X 01:12:35.990 --> 01:12:40.150 They're required to do X if we want to make them do X Y and Z 01:12:40.590 --> 01:12:44.970 That's what we can make them do we can't make them we can't circumvent the state 01:12:45.750 --> 01:12:48.910 If if the state says you have to get a DQ permit 01:12:48.910 --> 01:12:55.730 That's what they have to do if we want deq permit plus the special you permit. That's what we can do. Gotcha 01:12:55.730 --> 01:12:57.870 Thank you. We can't tell them to be any less 01:12:58.390 --> 01:13:01.110 Good. Thanks Marty maybe a 01:13:02.150 --> 01:13:03.030 suggestion to 01:13:04.910 --> 01:13:10.330 Alleviate Lucinda's concern because I see what she's getting at that it could read like the only thing we're going to require is that 01:13:10.330 --> 01:13:12.090 through this special use permit process 01:13:12.630 --> 01:13:17.950 One of the conditions would be federal and state permits, but what you could do is in that bullet point 01:13:18.910 --> 01:13:22.650 power generation associated with the data center is required to obtain its own special 01:13:22.650 --> 01:13:27.430 use permit, and any federal and state permits as required by law. 01:13:28.770 --> 01:13:31.710 Oh, Malcolm, can you go to page 30 in that? 01:13:31.830 --> 01:13:34.810 And that way, maybe it provides that specificity. 01:13:37.230 --> 01:13:41.310 Lucinda, would that help you out? 01:13:42.490 --> 01:13:43.130 Oh, Mark, wait. 01:13:43.650 --> 01:13:48.210 If everybody looks on the screen at page 30, if you look at the bullet point, the continuance 01:13:48.910 --> 01:13:53.290 Permit for industrial uses shall be subject to but not limited to the following conditions 01:13:53.290 --> 01:13:59.170 I didn't there I it's already in there the applicant is responsible to meet all permitting requirements of federal 01:13:59.170 --> 01:14:01.670 I wanted to add that in because it was missing and 01:14:01.670 --> 01:14:07.510 Wyoming state agencies which are applicable to the development ie the Wyoming Department of Environmental Quality 01:14:07.510 --> 01:14:10.150 But I think Lucinda's concern is that 01:14:10.970 --> 01:14:15.330 In this unique section, it's only calling out the power generation 01:14:16.090 --> 01:14:21.170 receiving a special use permit, just making it, perhaps it's duplicative, but I think 01:14:21.170 --> 01:14:25.170 the language that they're required to get a special use permit is duplicative. It's 01:14:25.170 --> 01:14:31.910 just making it clear that you are seeing that as a distinct project away from the data center 01:14:31.910 --> 01:14:38.330 itself. And so just to make that clarification that any power generation has to obtain federal 01:14:38.330 --> 01:14:39.910 and state permits as required by law. 01:14:40.330 --> 01:14:45.310 I think we started this meeting off by saying simpler is better. And I'm not arguing against 01:14:45.330 --> 01:14:49.970 to Laura but I think it does make sense to put it just reiterate put it in there 01:14:49.970 --> 01:14:57.490 again like Lucinda said right in that paragraph so want to change and we might 01:14:57.490 --> 01:15:01.210 we might have to change that in our commercial section too in that way and 01:15:01.210 --> 01:15:05.830 I've said it times before we need to be consistent with what we do and just add 01:15:05.830 --> 01:15:12.410 that verbiage any state and federal permit required Lucinda howtians that's 01:15:12.410 --> 01:15:13.210 That's what I was going to say. 01:15:13.450 --> 01:15:16.570 If you decide to do that, just do it consistently throughout. 01:15:20.290 --> 01:15:22.670 So what language are you kind of playing around with? 01:15:23.610 --> 01:15:24.330 Say that again. 01:15:24.510 --> 01:15:28.030 What kind of language are you kind of playing around with for that one, to add in? 01:15:28.030 --> 01:15:34.890 I think it would read, any power generation associated with a data center is required 01:15:34.890 --> 01:15:40.770 to attain its own special use permit and any state or federal permits that are required. 01:15:42.250 --> 01:15:45.810 Just a clarification on that. So we know that next era. 01:15:46.590 --> 01:15:47.650 Josh, say your name. 01:15:48.090 --> 01:15:53.850 Josh Martinez. Next era is going to be generating power. Also there's going to be best systems 01:15:54.630 --> 01:15:58.830 and these data centers are making themselves in such a way to where they're separating 01:15:59.430 --> 01:16:04.390 themselves as separate entities just like the digital five nine group over there. They 01:16:04.890 --> 01:16:09.430 themselves. Now if they're using power there are they gonna have to get another 01:16:09.430 --> 01:16:13.130 permit also instead of just borrowing the power for them because they are 01:16:13.130 --> 01:16:19.650 being tied together? I think the permits for the power that's generated 01:16:19.650 --> 01:16:23.630 associated with a data center. So if they if they're you're stating that if they 01:16:23.630 --> 01:16:26.250 get power over here from them that they're gonna have to get another 01:16:26.250 --> 01:16:32.170 permit. It's not it's if it's generated on the site if they're buying power from 01:16:32.170 --> 01:16:34.750 our local REA that's not generated on the site. 01:16:35.310 --> 01:16:38.710 So, but the power generation if they're getting it from the windmills is that or best? 01:16:38.870 --> 01:16:40.390 That's not generated on the site. 01:16:41.490 --> 01:16:43.090 If it's generated on the site. 01:16:43.190 --> 01:16:44.810 Is there subcontracting power, is that what you're saying? 01:16:48.070 --> 01:16:49.710 I'm just getting clarification, that's all we're known. 01:16:51.110 --> 01:16:52.310 Can somebody else chime in here? 01:16:55.790 --> 01:17:02.090 Would that help you out if it said any power generation generated on any power generated 01:17:02.170 --> 01:17:07.770 on site. Well I just wondering if that permits gonna have to get if you're 01:17:07.770 --> 01:17:10.890 gonna have to get it because sometimes you're not gonna they're not gonna 01:17:10.890 --> 01:17:14.190 produce all their power you know I'm saying they're gonna go somewhere else 01:17:14.190 --> 01:17:19.570 to get power is that it gonna be a separate permit? No that's that's not 01:17:19.570 --> 01:17:27.470 what we're talking about. Okay I'm just clarifying it's okay. By the way we are 01:17:27.470 --> 01:17:30.470 out open for public comment right now. I have a motion on the floor. 01:17:33.790 --> 01:17:41.650 I think you are for public comment. Okay. My bad. My bad. Come on, Milo. 01:17:46.750 --> 01:17:52.470 So first of all, I was going to say that I think that if it was added into the regulations 01:17:52.470 --> 01:17:56.290 that the power generation specified on line three, 01:17:56.930 --> 01:17:57.870 or bullet point three, that is, 01:17:58.810 --> 01:18:00.570 it should be specified as onsite, 01:18:00.730 --> 01:18:03.010 so that there's not more confusion about that. 01:18:03.910 --> 01:18:06.070 Like any onsite power generation associated 01:18:06.070 --> 01:18:08.270 with the data center is required to obtain 01:18:08.270 --> 01:18:09.270 its own special use permit. 01:18:12.830 --> 01:18:13.990 How does that end, you guys? 01:18:17.570 --> 01:18:22.610 I don't think that this is saying that if we don't use your microphone. 01:18:24.190 --> 01:18:29.790 I think this is saying that if I understand it right, if the data center comes in and 01:18:29.790 --> 01:18:33.230 wants to build it here, they need to get a special use permit. 01:18:33.810 --> 01:18:38.290 If a solar facility comes in, they need to have a special use permit. 01:18:38.670 --> 01:18:40.190 This is not talking about the same. 01:18:41.410 --> 01:18:49.250 Because if the data center comes in and has the data center and its own power generating 01:18:49.250 --> 01:18:54.450 in the same facility, that's all going to be in one special use permit. 01:18:54.930 --> 01:19:02.470 This is saying, in my thinking, this is if in that acreage we did, if they come in and 01:19:02.470 --> 01:19:06.630 they want to put a data center and they want to put a solar deal and they want to put a 01:19:07.730 --> 01:19:10.590 battery storage deal, they need to have three permits. 01:19:11.230 --> 01:19:13.370 And that's what this is supposed to be saying, I believe. 01:19:14.210 --> 01:19:15.070 The way I read it. 01:19:16.130 --> 01:19:17.970 Then could the regulations be modified 01:19:17.970 --> 01:19:19.850 so that that's stated more clearly? 01:19:20.910 --> 01:19:22.930 I think it is there. 01:19:23.250 --> 01:19:28.510 It's the way you're trying to, like he said, 01:19:29.970 --> 01:19:32.230 I think it is already saying that. 01:19:32.330 --> 01:19:34.490 We don't need to complicate it anymore. 01:19:34.490 --> 01:19:39.990 If the Wheatland REA sells the data center power, they're going to have all their own 01:19:39.990 --> 01:19:40.750 permits already. 01:19:41.530 --> 01:19:44.690 So they don't need to get a special use permit. 01:19:45.510 --> 01:19:51.110 Bill, I'm mostly just concerned that if another planning and zoning board was to come in, 01:19:51.750 --> 01:19:56.710 and they didn't know all of the stuff that you had talked about, and they didn't spend 01:19:56.710 --> 01:20:01.990 the time to go back and listen to these videos and hear the precedent that any power generation 01:20:01.990 --> 01:20:06.890 associated with the data center actually refers to what the data center builds on its own 01:20:06.890 --> 01:20:12.610 property as opposed to anything that they buy from other providers of power. 01:20:13.670 --> 01:20:17.970 I think that it would be in the best interest of the county and in the best interest of 01:20:17.970 --> 01:20:22.050 the board of county commissioners and the board of planning and zoning commission that 01:20:22.590 --> 01:20:27.570 a clause be added in, not clause but extra verbiage be added in on bullet point three 01:20:27.570 --> 01:20:33.890 that says any power generation located on the site of the data center is required to 01:20:33.890 --> 01:20:35.010 obtain its own special use permit? 01:20:36.850 --> 01:20:38.310 I can get behind that. 01:20:39.130 --> 01:20:41.750 And I think that's kind of what we've been talking about. 01:20:42.550 --> 01:20:48.850 I think that's a very good point, Milo, and I think it should say any power generation 01:20:49.710 --> 01:20:51.390 associated with the data center. 01:20:52.590 --> 01:20:53.870 Let me back up. 01:20:55.150 --> 01:21:02.010 Any power generated on site. Yeah that that's associated with the data centers were to obtain its own special use permit. 01:21:02.770 --> 01:21:14.210 The only problem that I see with that I understand what he's trying to say I and I think that there's a good chance of very good possibility that that verbiage could be changed. 01:21:14.210 --> 01:21:19.470 The power generation is different than hooking up to REA. 01:21:19.570 --> 01:21:21.850 REA would be like just having your house line run. 01:21:21.990 --> 01:21:23.410 That's not power generation. 01:21:24.210 --> 01:21:27.590 I see where you're going and I think clarity, 01:21:28.430 --> 01:21:30.650 it needs a little polishing probably. 01:21:32.630 --> 01:21:38.190 But if you put on site, the data centers are going 01:21:38.190 --> 01:21:39.210 to be divided off. 01:21:39.610 --> 01:21:41.270 Those data centers land. 01:21:41.270 --> 01:21:43.730 And the intention is that data centers, 01:21:44.430 --> 01:21:46.830 that 500,000 acres is purchased outright. 01:21:47.270 --> 01:21:50.350 The power generation locations are not necessarily 01:21:50.350 --> 01:21:51.970 on the project site. 01:21:52.830 --> 01:21:56.450 They are off of the transferred land. 01:21:56.590 --> 01:21:58.270 They might remain on leased land. 01:21:59.010 --> 01:22:03.570 That would be my concern of limiting. 01:22:04.010 --> 01:22:07.230 Power generation associated, if they're hooking into REA, 01:22:07.290 --> 01:22:08.990 they're not generating that power, they're hooking in. 01:22:08.990 --> 01:22:17.830 But if they put a gas line, a gas, a coal factory or a solar or a wind, those are power 01:22:17.830 --> 01:22:20.090 generations directly for the data center. 01:22:23.910 --> 01:22:29.910 But I think if a data center is going to generate their own power, we're going to have it covered 01:22:29.910 --> 01:22:33.450 in the special use permit for the data center. 01:22:34.370 --> 01:22:40.330 So we don't need to have, if it's all tied together, we're going to cover it all in one special use permit. 01:22:41.410 --> 01:22:48.590 This is saying, in my mind, this is saying if they're going to have two deals, they're going to have a data center and they're going to have a gas power generation, 01:22:48.650 --> 01:22:52.130 they need to have their own special use permit. 01:22:52.770 --> 01:22:56.390 Even if it's the same company, they've still got to have two different deals. 01:22:57.310 --> 01:22:57.490 Yes. 01:23:01.030 --> 01:23:11.230 Okay, thank you. So. No, I think we'd be too limiting to put on site because the site for 01:23:11.230 --> 01:23:17.710 the data center might just be that thousand acres. That's the site. Or if they're dividing 01:23:17.710 --> 01:23:24.230 this up in industrial park, that's the site for the data center. I think broader is better. 01:23:24.230 --> 01:23:27.050 somebody can also apply for a variance if we have that, 01:23:27.250 --> 01:23:30.310 if they believe that their power, 01:23:31.970 --> 01:23:34.670 that there's a problem with that statement at this time. 01:23:35.270 --> 01:23:37.310 But again, refining the language, 01:23:37.830 --> 01:23:40.370 I understand what Milo's saying, 01:23:40.730 --> 01:23:43.410 but I also think that the power generation 01:23:43.410 --> 01:23:45.090 associated with the data center, 01:23:46.650 --> 01:23:49.050 again, it excludes like REA where they're just, 01:23:49.210 --> 01:23:51.010 it's a plug and play where they're running a line. 01:23:51.010 --> 01:23:58.210 Okay, so perhaps could the code app be changed then to any power generation constructed explicitly 01:23:58.210 --> 01:24:01.470 to power a data center or something to that effect? 01:24:04.610 --> 01:24:08.490 Would that perhaps be more suitable with the board? 01:24:10.990 --> 01:24:12.410 Yeah, power generation and power storage. 01:24:12.850 --> 01:24:15.090 That's a very good point there. 01:24:17.850 --> 01:24:24.970 Any power generation that is constructed explicitly to power the, or to, or for the needs of the 01:24:24.970 --> 01:24:30.550 data center, similar to that effect, power generation or power storage has to be, or 01:24:30.550 --> 01:24:32.650 is required to obtain its own special use permit. 01:24:33.430 --> 01:24:37.650 Sorry, I know that was a bit broken up, but I was sort of just thinking as I, talking 01:24:37.650 --> 01:24:38.490 Here's my thought. 01:24:59.910 --> 01:25:01.530 Any thoughts up here? 01:25:01.750 --> 01:25:02.990 He's asking us a question. 01:25:07.170 --> 01:25:12.470 I think we could add and or storage to that sense. 01:25:14.010 --> 01:25:15.330 Yeah, I would be fine with that. 01:25:15.470 --> 01:25:15.930 That sounds fine. 01:25:16.930 --> 01:25:17.790 Is that what you're saying? 01:25:18.150 --> 01:25:19.190 Yeah, that sounds fine. 01:25:20.410 --> 01:25:23.690 Because then it just, if storage isn't included, then it excludes storage. 01:25:24.150 --> 01:25:27.150 If storage is included in the project, then it includes storage. 01:25:27.310 --> 01:25:27.730 I think that's good. 01:25:30.490 --> 01:25:32.910 We did a separate special use permit for the best. 01:25:34.130 --> 01:25:36.070 It's not, I think it's great. 01:25:36.810 --> 01:25:48.310 Any power generation and or power storage that is constructed for the needs of the data center are required to obtain their own special use permits. 01:25:51.270 --> 01:25:51.630 Yeah. 01:25:53.570 --> 01:25:55.250 Thank you Laura that sounds fun. 01:25:57.910 --> 01:26:01.290 Well yeah and the permits we already added that one in. 01:26:01.530 --> 01:26:01.570 Yeah. 01:26:02.610 --> 01:26:04.410 I think we still added that in. 01:26:13.530 --> 01:26:14.950 Any other public comment? 01:26:20.470 --> 01:26:27.830 Katherine Stevens, so let me look at what note this what point this is under 01:26:30.090 --> 01:26:36.410 7.05.060 farther we're down the notification to property owners shall 01:26:36.410 --> 01:26:40.950 include those within one mile radius of the properties boundaries. I do think 01:26:40.950 --> 01:26:42.570 That should be increased 01:26:43.090 --> 01:26:49.110 Because the the scope the scale rather of data centers can be so huge 01:26:49.110 --> 01:26:51.450 That I think it warrants 01:26:53.810 --> 01:26:59.430 Notifying property owners that are further out you guys could decide if you wanted it to be you know 01:26:59.430 --> 01:27:06.410 Five miles three miles two miles, whatever, but I think it should be greater than one mile at that point. Yeah, there it is 01:27:07.270 --> 01:27:11.210 Not that you guys can see that one but so let me just interject real quick that 01:27:11.210 --> 01:27:16.150 Started out as a quarter of a mile and we need to remember that these are for all industrial 01:27:16.150 --> 01:27:18.130 This is all industrial zone land 01:27:18.950 --> 01:27:22.330 And it used to be just a quarter mile and some places in this 01:27:22.330 --> 01:27:27.130 Condition in our rules and regulations. It's only adjacent landowners like in a rezone only 01:27:27.850 --> 01:27:33.050 Adjacent landowners received notifications. So I went up from a quarter mile to one mile radius 01:27:33.050 --> 01:27:36.310 this, that's where that number came from and where it was at. 01:27:39.230 --> 01:27:48.670 My other thought is, so would it be under 7, I feel like this is repeated, 7.10.000 is 01:27:48.670 --> 01:27:53.730 after, like if you scroll down, and it's specific again 01:28:30.950 --> 01:28:32.810 Thank you. 01:29:00.950 --> 01:29:02.810 Thank you. 01:29:30.950 --> 01:29:32.810 Thank you. 01:30:00.950 --> 01:30:02.810 Thank you. 01:30:30.950 --> 01:30:32.810 Thank you. 01:31:00.950 --> 01:31:02.810 Thank you. 01:31:30.950 --> 01:31:32.810 Thank you. 01:32:00.950 --> 01:32:02.810 Thank you. 01:32:30.950 --> 01:32:32.810 Thank you. 01:33:00.950 --> 01:33:02.810 Thank you. 01:33:30.950 --> 01:33:32.810 Thank you. 01:34:00.950 --> 01:34:02.810 Thank you. 01:34:30.950 --> 01:34:32.810 Thank you. 01:35:00.950 --> 01:35:02.810 Thank you. 01:35:30.950 --> 01:35:32.810 Thank you. 01:36:00.950 --> 01:36:02.810 Thank you. 01:36:30.950 --> 01:36:32.810 Thank you. 01:37:00.950 --> 01:37:02.810 Thank you. 01:37:30.950 --> 01:37:32.810 Thank you. 01:38:00.950 --> 01:38:02.810 Thank you. 01:38:30.950 --> 01:38:32.810 Thank you. 01:39:01.470 --> 01:39:02.550 Thank you. 01:39:16.010 --> 01:39:17.410 Test. 01:40:00.950 --> 01:40:02.810 Thank you. 01:40:08.310 --> 01:40:09.710 Yeah. 01:41:00.950 --> 01:41:02.810 Thank you. 01:41:30.950 --> 01:41:32.810 Thank you. 01:42:00.950 --> 01:42:02.810 Thank you. 01:42:30.950 --> 01:42:32.810 Thank you. 01:43:00.950 --> 01:43:02.810 Thank you. 01:43:04.610 --> 01:43:08.150 Okay, if we could reconvene in about one minute, one minute. 01:44:00.950 --> 01:44:02.810 Thank you. 01:44:30.950 --> 01:44:32.810 Thank you. 01:44:43.530 --> 01:44:46.330 Thank you. 01:44:58.690 --> 01:45:01.470 Oh, there she is. 01:45:02.610 --> 01:45:03.710 Ms. LaRue, are you ready? 01:45:08.670 --> 01:45:10.670 I wasn't going to fire you. 01:45:14.530 --> 01:45:17.550 Okay, we're going to reconvene and move on. 01:45:25.550 --> 01:45:27.570 No, we're still in public comment. 01:45:30.370 --> 01:45:35.450 And Marty, just so the listening public online knows, we had a little technical glitch, 01:45:36.170 --> 01:45:40.070 Mike's went off. Thanks for everybody's patience but it's back on now. 01:45:42.290 --> 01:45:46.670 Alright we're good to go. Please sign in, say your name, we're good to go. 01:45:47.250 --> 01:45:52.550 I just, I want to talk to Catherine real quick. So I just wanted to, for what 01:45:52.550 --> 01:45:57.090 you're saying, so also we have a section that says use is allowed with special 01:45:57.090 --> 01:46:03.950 use permits and some of these items require restrictions on noise and light 01:46:05.450 --> 01:46:07.650 of waste products, commercial slaughterhouses, 01:46:07.890 --> 01:46:10.590 mineral production processing facilities, crushing plants, 01:46:11.090 --> 01:46:12.890 rendering plants, cement manufacturer, 01:46:13.350 --> 01:46:15.370 fertilizer manufacturer, tanneries, 01:46:16.090 --> 01:46:17.870 commercial junkyards, recycling salvage. 01:46:18.350 --> 01:46:20.850 So all of those would have limitations just 01:46:20.850 --> 01:46:22.950 on their special use permits regarding lighting 01:46:22.950 --> 01:46:24.790 of the facilities and the sound. 01:46:25.250 --> 01:46:29.110 So just so you know that those, some of these are very loud 01:46:29.810 --> 01:46:32.630 and do require limitations, limitations of operations 01:46:32.630 --> 01:46:34.110 of hours and stuff like that too. 01:46:35.450 --> 01:46:42.810 It would be more like what you were talking about with the noise and etc. I see is putting as a special special use condition 01:46:44.490 --> 01:46:50.090 Just because of working only in industrial classification and it has a very very broad umbrella 01:46:50.090 --> 01:46:53.350 So that's all yeah, that makes perfect sense 01:46:53.350 --> 01:46:57.790 I just think I think it would benefit the county to have a little section of data center regs 01:46:58.310 --> 01:46:59.970 I don't think it would be a downside at all 01:46:59.970 --> 01:47:04.670 So I would ask you to consider that for a future maybe for your next meeting or something 01:47:05.450 --> 01:47:08.410 have citizen involvement that would be meaningful and helpful to the county. 01:47:10.090 --> 01:47:11.050 Thank you, Catherine. 01:47:18.510 --> 01:47:19.250 Theresa Baker. 01:47:21.050 --> 01:47:24.810 I wanted to speak about special use permit for all the water wells. 01:47:25.430 --> 01:47:34.270 If this all goes through and it's all permitted, will you protect the people around, like in 01:47:35.450 --> 01:47:37.870 they spoke about earlier, is that somewhere? 01:47:38.030 --> 01:47:40.030 Because I haven't really read any of this. 01:47:40.350 --> 01:47:41.330 That was one concern. 01:47:41.590 --> 01:47:44.390 And another concern I have, after Kayla mentioned 01:47:44.390 --> 01:47:47.630 industrial park, do you guys have definitions, 01:47:48.030 --> 01:47:50.230 the difference between an industrial park 01:47:50.830 --> 01:47:54.990 versus just something being industrial zone, for example? 01:47:55.630 --> 01:47:57.970 Because it's my understanding, if something's 01:47:57.970 --> 01:48:03.550 in an industrial park, there aren't as many, 01:48:05.450 --> 01:48:08.570 or whatever, or you just take care of all of that 01:48:08.570 --> 01:48:09.910 with special use permits? 01:48:10.950 --> 01:48:12.850 So those are my questions to you. 01:48:13.470 --> 01:48:15.370 And I think I can answer the first one. 01:48:15.650 --> 01:48:18.750 The county does not administer water, period, state. 01:48:19.150 --> 01:48:20.230 That's all through the state. 01:48:21.730 --> 01:48:24.450 So that's gonna answer that one. 01:48:25.030 --> 01:48:26.690 We can't regulate anybody's water. 01:48:27.350 --> 01:48:28.250 That's not our job. 01:48:30.130 --> 01:48:33.870 State Water Engineer Brandon Gebhardt, he's from here. 01:48:35.450 --> 01:48:39.990 that's in charge of that agency. So the Goshen County people need to get in 01:48:39.990 --> 01:48:44.670 touch with him? Anybody can get in touch with him. He's listed on the website. 01:48:45.570 --> 01:48:51.350 State engineer for water. Okay. Okay and the second part of your question we do 01:48:51.350 --> 01:48:55.110 not have a differential between industrial park and industrial. It's all 01:48:55.110 --> 01:49:01.750 the same in your minds? Okay thank you. Also in regard to the industrial park I 01:49:01.750 --> 01:49:08.770 Have been informed by another County planner that in certain instances with an industrial park 01:49:08.770 --> 01:49:31.730 Classification or plat subdivision whenever called actually the state of Wyoming certain agencies. They are accountable to so which is not us. So 01:49:31.750 --> 01:49:34.910 doesn't have any say over the water, 01:49:35.610 --> 01:49:37.330 do they have the right to monitor? 01:49:40.510 --> 01:49:41.910 I don't think they do, Mort. 01:49:41.990 --> 01:49:43.150 I think that would be the state. 01:49:43.250 --> 01:49:44.690 I think the state would have to get involved. 01:49:44.850 --> 01:49:46.790 No different than they monitor my irrigation wells, 01:49:47.010 --> 01:49:47.970 my domestic wells, 01:49:49.610 --> 01:49:52.610 Bill's domestic, that's the state agency. 01:49:52.990 --> 01:49:56.050 They'll drill, they will drill monitoring holes 01:49:56.050 --> 01:49:58.250 if they're asked or if they seem necessary. 01:49:59.930 --> 01:50:04.210 they're locked, no one can get in them, they are monitored through the state only. 01:50:05.250 --> 01:50:10.790 Okay. I guess that answers my question then. 01:50:12.210 --> 01:50:13.890 And that's to my knowledge. 01:50:14.510 --> 01:50:17.230 Because the water use is going to become a problem. 01:50:19.790 --> 01:50:22.130 And that's going to be administered by the state. 01:50:23.030 --> 01:50:25.730 To how much and where they can pump or even if they can drill. 01:50:25.730 --> 01:50:29.090 You know, I think it's, I don't know this for a fact, 01:50:29.110 --> 01:50:30.090 Bill might help me out here. 01:50:30.110 --> 01:50:32.710 I don't think they're allowing any irrigation wells 01:50:33.970 --> 01:50:35.350 in this area, period. 01:50:36.790 --> 01:50:40.930 So they're already pretty tightly on their permits for wells. 01:50:41.310 --> 01:50:44.610 So there again, it's not for this board to say they can 01:50:44.610 --> 01:50:46.530 or can't drill a well, that's going to be up to the state. 01:50:47.170 --> 01:50:49.050 You have to file for a well permit to drill a well. 01:50:49.430 --> 01:50:51.130 Oh, I absolutely, I know that. 01:50:52.050 --> 01:50:54.870 But there's designations on the wells, correct? 01:50:55.730 --> 01:51:00.290 There are agriculture wells, residential wells, 01:51:00.570 --> 01:51:01.490 and that sort. 01:51:01.930 --> 01:51:07.950 So is there a industrial designation for wells? 01:51:08.230 --> 01:51:10.610 I'm going to assume there is, but I really 01:51:10.610 --> 01:51:11.970 don't know that for a fact. 01:51:12.310 --> 01:51:13.090 But I would say yes. 01:51:13.530 --> 01:51:16.570 OK, and we can only hope that the state will monitor such. 01:51:17.530 --> 01:51:18.130 Yes, sir. 01:51:19.350 --> 01:51:21.510 Well, I think they will, because they monitor us 01:51:22.070 --> 01:51:25.190 on our irrigation wells and our stock wells and stuff. 01:51:26.070 --> 01:51:33.050 I think they will. Pardon me, but you don't have the money that the data centers have. 01:51:35.690 --> 01:51:45.030 Yeah, and more to my feeling about it, if a data center or some usage is coming about, 01:51:47.430 --> 01:51:52.650 it would be up to the adjacent landowners to kind of develop a baseline where their 01:51:52.650 --> 01:51:59.430 static water is in their wells. You know, George Gamlin sent us some information. It's 01:51:59.430 --> 01:52:05.050 going to cost him around $40,000 to do some permitting for his wells. But to me, a developer 01:52:05.050 --> 01:52:11.890 should be part of that process to establish a baseline so they can operate within that. 01:52:12.330 --> 01:52:16.910 You know, they can draw down. It'd probably have to be with the state. But in my mind, 01:52:16.910 --> 01:52:21.390 they need to be part of that because they're affecting the area with whatever use they're 01:52:22.890 --> 01:52:28.710 And this is why they need to be monitored. Mm-hmm. And I think that can go right through the state of Wyoming 01:52:28.710 --> 01:52:31.790 Well, let's just hope that the state lives up to that. Yeah 01:52:35.790 --> 01:52:37.930 Any other public comment on this section 01:52:41.470 --> 01:52:42.350 Any other 01:52:44.410 --> 01:52:48.810 At this time I'll close it to public comment. Oh 01:52:49.390 --> 01:52:51.610 Sorry Lucinda I 01:52:52.650 --> 01:52:57.750 So you got to three one two three. Listen to how chins. Okay, so you're talking about 01:52:58.430 --> 01:53:00.910 Jay's point great point 01:53:01.550 --> 01:53:03.670 Monitoring should be done ahead of time 01:53:04.730 --> 01:53:11.390 Can you just write that sentence in your special use permit that a data center would be required? 01:53:11.450 --> 01:53:15.470 To get that to pay for that monitoring. I 01:53:15.470 --> 01:53:18.830 Don't think I don't think you could because my opinion that would be 01:53:18.830 --> 01:53:21.850 We're not monitoring water today and we're in a drought. 01:53:22.190 --> 01:53:24.450 How do you forecast a drought? 01:53:24.730 --> 01:53:27.250 I mean, five years ago, if we knew this was coming, 01:53:27.430 --> 01:53:29.430 we'd have been monitoring our water five years ago. 01:53:29.630 --> 01:53:30.490 You can't. 01:53:30.490 --> 01:53:32.730 And just because, now this is my opinion only, 01:53:32.850 --> 01:53:35.590 just because the data center comes two years from now 01:53:35.590 --> 01:53:38.990 and the drought persists, who's to say the drought 01:53:38.990 --> 01:53:42.950 caused the well to go dry or the data center? 01:53:43.010 --> 01:53:44.090 That's really hard to prove. 01:53:44.190 --> 01:53:46.590 No, but I mean, he was talking about George Gamblin 01:53:46.590 --> 01:53:52.050 having to spend $40,000 of his own money, wouldn't it be nice if the data center could 01:53:53.430 --> 01:53:58.130 pay for that for the surrounding people that are close to it? That's all. 01:54:01.710 --> 01:54:11.570 Jay, handle that. One more thing on the water. I think that they should, Josh Martinez, by 01:54:11.570 --> 01:54:16.490 way. They should establish a baseline if they're going to be there or have water 01:54:16.490 --> 01:54:21.790 or wells or tie to wells. I think that they should put a baseline or least 01:54:21.790 --> 01:54:26.610 established to know where the water is at for our city so that we know where 01:54:26.610 --> 01:54:31.310 we're working from and if they do bring in water or they take water out from 01:54:31.310 --> 01:54:36.390 somewhere like to know where and where they're putting it and if they're 01:54:36.390 --> 01:54:40.510 filtering that water or bringing it back what are they doing I think we should 01:54:41.570 --> 01:54:43.590 as well for us. 01:54:56.410 --> 01:54:59.150 Commissioner meeting, I appreciate the input. 01:54:59.390 --> 01:55:00.150 That's what it's about. 01:55:01.130 --> 01:55:01.710 We need input. 01:55:02.910 --> 01:55:08.170 You know, sometimes we don't take all that input and incorporate it in, but I think it 01:55:08.170 --> 01:55:09.750 gives everyone something to think about. 01:55:11.570 --> 01:55:13.290 and voicing their opinion. 01:55:14.510 --> 01:55:16.910 Water's pretty critical, there's no doubt about that. 01:55:17.590 --> 01:55:19.770 But I think we can partner with whoever, 01:55:20.710 --> 01:55:22.990 a developer, the state of Wyoming, 01:55:23.390 --> 01:55:29.470 to come up with a plan to responsibly develop something. 01:55:30.590 --> 01:55:34.030 And I think that's kind of what we need to do. 01:55:39.090 --> 01:55:48.230 Rick Kromp. Now, there is a way to measure that water, the aquifers and stuff. DEQ can 01:55:48.230 --> 01:55:57.250 probably do it. And I was looking at a few years ago, seeing the Colorado River, and 01:55:57.250 --> 01:56:02.010 it had a whole bunch of water. I mean, that thing is huge. But they measured that thing 01:56:02.010 --> 01:56:04.530 They had these strings or cables across there. 01:56:04.610 --> 01:56:09.090 They could tell within two inches if it went down or up. 01:56:09.670 --> 01:56:12.070 And there's a lot of water coming down that Colorado River. 01:56:12.570 --> 01:56:15.050 And the same thing goes with these wells around here. 01:56:15.610 --> 01:56:18.650 Those guys are drilling them wells. 01:56:18.830 --> 01:56:23.590 They have to monitor them things and they put a license, 01:56:23.810 --> 01:56:27.510 a tag on your well to see how far it's went down 01:56:27.510 --> 01:56:28.750 or come up or whatever. 01:56:29.650 --> 01:56:30.930 I just want to throw that out there. 01:56:31.150 --> 01:56:31.530 Thank you. 01:56:36.750 --> 01:56:39.970 Okay, any other public comment on this section? 01:56:43.530 --> 01:56:50.010 Yeah, I was just going to say to actually, I forgot who made the point about the water 01:56:50.010 --> 01:56:57.970 and how George Gamblin is going to have to spend money to get a map of his well and everything. 01:56:57.970 --> 01:57:04.830 I do think that it would be right to put that somewhere in the regulations, maybe not here, 01:57:04.990 --> 01:57:12.270 but somewhere in there, because a private citizen shouldn't be forced to pay a lot of 01:57:12.270 --> 01:57:16.870 money for something that they don't, well, for something that they didn't ask for, you 01:57:16.870 --> 01:57:21.650 know, like, he didn't ask for a data center to be here, but he would still have to pay 01:57:21.650 --> 01:57:24.950 that much money to get his well mapped out and surveyed and everything. 01:57:24.950 --> 01:57:44.650 So I think it would be wise to put somewhere in there that the corporation that's developing the data center or project or whatever has to pay the entire cost of any of any provable and verifiable incommuniences such as well surveying that are inflicted upon surrounding landowners. 01:57:45.490 --> 01:57:46.490 Thank you. 01:57:47.410 --> 01:57:48.270 Thank you, Milo. 01:58:00.970 --> 01:58:02.430 I just had a question. 01:58:02.650 --> 01:58:11.830 If you could read just above that, the Section 7.05.030 removal of note, could you just read 01:58:11.830 --> 01:58:12.510 that again, please? 01:58:13.430 --> 01:58:14.170 For me, it went by pretty quick. 01:58:14.270 --> 01:58:14.750 Thank you. 01:58:18.090 --> 01:58:30.650 Okay. So in the original the note so it has to say section 7.05.03.0 the note that regarding 01:58:30.650 --> 01:58:36.250 uses allowed with special use permits including but not limited to the note that I believe 01:58:38.250 --> 01:58:47.590 removed that I suggested removing is note projects in existing industrial districts which are underway prior to adoption of these 01:58:47.590 --> 01:58:50.870 regulations do not require a special use permit to develop. 01:58:54.160 --> 01:58:55.130 It's in the original. 01:58:57.520 --> 01:59:00.410 Page 28 of the existing. 01:59:03.270 --> 01:59:05.150 Right there right near the bottom of the page. 01:59:08.390 --> 01:59:11.750 The reasoning behind this is as we do have industrial 01:59:12.730 --> 01:59:20.350 Zone land currently in the county not a lot of it, but it's there and I think remove I won 01:59:22.670 --> 01:59:27.710 This is a way for people to skirt around a special-use permit and why would why would we want to leave me even the slightest? 01:59:28.050 --> 01:59:28.590 hole open 01:59:30.190 --> 01:59:31.810 For that so 01:59:34.210 --> 01:59:35.630 Did that answer your question 01:59:37.210 --> 01:59:49.770 Okay. Any other public comment? Any other? Last chance. Lucinda, you in? Okay. I'm gonna 01:59:49.770 --> 01:59:52.790 close it to public comment right before the board for further discussion. 02:00:09.130 --> 02:00:11.410 Go ahead. Tell them. 02:00:14.790 --> 02:00:20.370 We are not making a motion on the section right now, are we? We decided we would... 02:00:20.370 --> 02:00:27.910 I think we're going to add some verbiage at the end, like we did in the last section, 02:00:27.970 --> 02:00:32.670 but since we have to go back now, because we wanted to be consistent with what we did 02:00:32.670 --> 02:00:38.430 and amend the motion that we made in Chapter 6. We're going to move on, but we are going 02:00:38.430 --> 02:00:51.070 to add that part that we added to Chapter 6 into Chapter 7 right at the end of the 7.10.000 02:00:51.810 --> 02:00:55.850 that we added in Chapter 6, but we'll come back so we don't have to go back and maybe 02:00:55.850 --> 02:01:01.210 amend another motion, because the public input has been good. And if we wait until the end, 02:01:02.670 --> 02:01:04.230 up and get it all in one stroke. 02:01:05.170 --> 02:01:06.610 Is that what you're getting at Bonnie? 02:01:07.130 --> 02:01:07.490 Yes. 02:01:09.230 --> 02:01:12.410 Okay with that we're gonna move in to chapter eight. 02:01:14.030 --> 02:01:16.510 Chapter eight is the ranching agricultural 02:01:16.510 --> 02:01:18.230 and mining a ram districts. 02:01:18.850 --> 02:01:24.410 So on page 31 there was some minor typos, 02:01:24.690 --> 02:01:28.030 residential developments and commercial sites, 02:01:28.170 --> 02:01:30.830 all the unincorporated areas of the county 02:01:32.670 --> 02:01:35.110 designated as ranching agricultural and mine. 02:01:35.470 --> 02:01:39.550 It should be mine mining lands not mined lands. 02:01:41.430 --> 02:01:47.710 Then on page 33 we would just add eight dash zero five dash zero six zero data 02:01:47.710 --> 02:01:58.810 centers and then on page 34 we would add on the subsurfaces record storage 02:01:58.810 --> 02:02:04.430 Excluding data centers because data centers can and are 02:02:05.770 --> 02:02:14.730 Can qualify for sub surface record storage so that would exclude those out and then in section 8 0 5 0 2 0 02:02:14.730 --> 02:02:22.630 Especially use permits we would add data centers and then say see section 8 0 5 0 6 0 whichever and then we go 02:02:23.490 --> 02:02:25.690 To what we've already been covering for 02:02:25.690 --> 02:02:27.330 industrial and commercial. 02:02:28.330 --> 02:02:32.350 So right now I would say take what we just went over 02:02:32.350 --> 02:02:36.890 with the commercial, no the industrial, 02:02:37.590 --> 02:02:41.790 but in regards to the second bullet point, 02:02:41.990 --> 02:02:46.290 we do need to, I believe, include and or may be required 02:02:46.290 --> 02:02:49.870 to be rezoned to industrial because we are now out of 02:02:49.870 --> 02:02:52.090 the industrial zoned land. 02:02:52.090 --> 02:02:55.970 And that's it for that chapter. 02:03:01.000 --> 02:03:03.210 Any public comment on that section? 02:03:11.070 --> 02:03:17.750 Milo Stevens, I was just going to ask, what does subsurface recordings mean farther up 02:03:17.750 --> 02:03:17.970 there? 02:03:18.970 --> 02:03:22.330 I mean, I noticed it's not a huge issue, but I was really curious about that. 02:03:22.850 --> 02:03:23.710 I had to look it up. 02:03:24.250 --> 02:03:25.790 Subsurface record storage. 02:03:27.690 --> 02:03:30.630 Somebody who might be a little older than I am in Milo. 02:03:31.050 --> 02:03:32.570 I don't have to look it up again. 02:03:41.230 --> 02:03:46.870 It says subsurface record storage involves placing physical archives, digital media, 02:03:47.330 --> 02:03:53.210 or core samples deep underground, frequently 150 to 650 feet below the surface, typically 02:03:53.810 --> 02:03:56.470 inside stabilized limestone or salt formations. 02:03:56.690 --> 02:03:59.370 That's literally off of AI on Google. 02:03:59.370 --> 02:04:05.410 So yeah, but when I did cross reference reading that, 02:04:06.420 --> 02:04:09.550 can data centers be considered subsurface record storage? 02:04:09.670 --> 02:04:11.490 The answer was a resounding yes. 02:04:12.310 --> 02:04:13.610 Okay, thank you. 02:04:14.150 --> 02:04:14.650 You're welcome. 02:04:17.670 --> 02:04:19.370 Any other public comment? 02:04:33.990 --> 02:04:35.630 Sorry, I just found my notes. 02:04:36.130 --> 02:04:42.710 So when I went to the meeting in Laramie County a couple weeks ago on their data centers, 02:04:42.730 --> 02:04:44.410 they talked a lot about a PUD. 02:04:45.070 --> 02:04:46.350 Have we looked into that at all? 02:04:46.850 --> 02:04:47.990 I haven't as much. 02:04:48.110 --> 02:04:48.570 I'm asking. 02:04:48.750 --> 02:04:49.090 I don't know. 02:04:49.190 --> 02:04:49.830 Talked about what? 02:04:50.090 --> 02:04:51.130 It's called a PUD. 02:04:51.150 --> 02:04:53.030 So it was a planned unit development. 02:04:53.850 --> 02:04:59.350 And that's what they used for like their switchgrass project is what Gunnar told us. 02:04:59.370 --> 02:05:03.730 and it's basically like an all-inclusive master plan. 02:05:05.170 --> 02:05:10.210 So we use SUPs, my understanding from Laramie County, 02:05:10.470 --> 02:05:13.250 because they've done this, is that the reason why 02:05:13.250 --> 02:05:16.370 they went to this plan to unit development plan 02:05:16.370 --> 02:05:18.670 instead of a special use permit is because 02:05:18.670 --> 02:05:21.830 special use permit is for each individual, 02:05:23.130 --> 02:05:24.870 whatever they're doing at that time. 02:05:25.050 --> 02:05:26.390 So it may be the data center. 02:05:26.390 --> 02:05:30.330 And then if they have, like my note said, 02:05:30.470 --> 02:05:32.810 if they have a power plant and then battery storage, 02:05:32.970 --> 02:05:35.490 like each of those requires a special use permit. 02:05:36.070 --> 02:05:38.010 So they're coming in and stacking multiple 02:05:38.010 --> 02:05:40.630 on top of each other, where the PUD, 02:05:40.870 --> 02:05:42.570 the planned unit development ones, 02:05:43.770 --> 02:05:47.190 are more of a comprehensive, it's a master plan 02:05:47.190 --> 02:05:50.250 for what's gonna happen on that land all at one time. 02:05:51.870 --> 02:05:54.250 I haven't looked into it a ton since that meeting. 02:05:54.510 --> 02:05:55.790 I've been busy with other things, 02:05:56.390 --> 02:05:58.730 I don't know if that was something that Laura maybe 02:05:58.730 --> 02:06:01.890 had talked to the Laramie County Planning and Zoning about, 02:06:02.530 --> 02:06:04.910 because we talk a lot about SUPs, and I do too, 02:06:05.010 --> 02:06:06.690 and I think that's a good goal, 02:06:07.250 --> 02:06:10.890 but these comprehensive plans is what Laramie County 02:06:10.890 --> 02:06:16.330 is saying has worked better than what they were doing prior. 02:06:17.090 --> 02:06:18.650 So I don't know if that's anything we've looked at. 02:06:18.850 --> 02:06:22.470 Do you think it gives them more discretion, or less? 02:06:22.470 --> 02:06:25.510 Yes, because it requires them to give us 02:06:26.390 --> 02:06:27.590 plan up front. 02:06:28.690 --> 02:06:32.070 And so you know what their master plan is because they have 02:06:32.070 --> 02:06:33.690 to provide it all at one time. 02:06:34.050 --> 02:06:36.830 Where if they get a special use permit and they build these 02:06:36.830 --> 02:06:41.310 data centers and they put it out there and then they add 02:06:41.310 --> 02:06:44.150 later and they come and say, well we need more power, we need 02:06:44.150 --> 02:06:46.090 to build our own power plant. 02:06:46.490 --> 02:06:49.070 And then our hands are kind of sort of tied because we're 02:06:49.070 --> 02:06:51.550 like, well if we don't let them do it, then we're stuck with 02:06:51.550 --> 02:06:55.430 this giant project out there that's unfinished and, you 02:06:56.390 --> 02:07:02.790 is good and so these master plans make them provide all the details up front. Is my understanding? 02:07:03.330 --> 02:07:10.990 Am I incorrect, Laura? No. Incorporating PUDs is not a bad idea. They have a lot more industrial 02:07:12.430 --> 02:07:17.450 well, the county portion does still have a lot more industrial. They are not a bad idea. 02:07:17.910 --> 02:07:25.530 It would be a new chapter in the rules and regulations which is not a bad idea. I have 02:07:26.390 --> 02:07:27.750 single entity in the Planning Department. 02:07:28.010 --> 02:07:30.730 It's been a lot to even do the condition, 02:07:31.110 --> 02:07:33.030 like the adjustments here, time-wise. 02:07:33.810 --> 02:07:37.230 But it is definitely something that I would like to look 02:07:37.230 --> 02:07:41.290 into and have thought about looking into for Platt County. 02:07:41.830 --> 02:07:43.490 We have a reserve chapter 11, 02:07:44.050 --> 02:07:45.870 which might be a great place for these, 02:07:46.030 --> 02:07:47.510 but it would be something that I would 02:07:50.630 --> 02:07:52.670 take what Larabie County has, 02:07:52.930 --> 02:07:55.790 go through that and make it applicable to Platt County, 02:07:56.390 --> 02:08:00.570 be a good jumping off point to do that. 02:08:01.550 --> 02:08:02.710 They are, it's not a bad idea. 02:08:03.530 --> 02:08:06.350 My understanding was it's kind of its own zoning 02:08:06.350 --> 02:08:09.590 classification specifically for data centers. 02:08:09.750 --> 02:08:11.990 Instead of saying that data centers are industrial, 02:08:13.130 --> 02:08:15.850 they're industrial but they have to have this PUD. 02:08:16.150 --> 02:08:19.490 And then from a PUD you can also require SUPs. 02:08:19.770 --> 02:08:23.190 They use PUDs for their solar also and their wind. 02:08:23.570 --> 02:08:23.950 Solar wind, yeah. 02:08:23.950 --> 02:08:25.230 They use it for massive projects 02:08:26.390 --> 02:08:26.590 Yeah. 02:08:28.890 --> 02:08:29.770 So sorry. 02:08:30.390 --> 02:08:32.270 I know that I maybe should have said that earlier, 02:08:32.270 --> 02:08:34.490 but I just found my notes on it because I couldn't remember 02:08:34.490 --> 02:08:35.210 what it was called. 02:08:36.070 --> 02:08:38.970 And I honestly haven't been able to do enough research on it 02:08:38.970 --> 02:08:41.730 in the last two weeks since we went to the meeting. 02:08:43.830 --> 02:08:46.630 But it appears like that's how we can maybe 02:08:46.630 --> 02:08:50.850 regulate some of these a little bit stronger. 02:08:51.350 --> 02:08:55.050 Maybe not regulate, but I think the people that are here 02:08:56.390 --> 02:09:00.650 people like myself even, I would like to see that. 02:09:00.710 --> 02:09:04.210 I would like to see an overall plan of what it's gonna look like. 02:09:05.190 --> 02:09:08.990 I guess in my opinion, I wouldn't view that being the first line of defense. 02:09:09.270 --> 02:09:14.430 I mean, I wouldn't disapprove an application or not approve an application. 02:09:14.650 --> 02:09:18.810 But I would like, maybe now at this point since we rezoned that and 02:09:18.810 --> 02:09:24.650 when they bring us, if they ever do bring us an application for a data center. 02:09:26.390 --> 02:09:29.090 I think it would be more transparent to everybody 02:09:29.090 --> 02:09:33.370 in the county to see what might take place. 02:09:34.730 --> 02:09:37.710 Yeah, my notes were very minimal 02:09:37.710 --> 02:09:40.130 because I was trying to write while listening the other day 02:09:40.130 --> 02:09:42.810 but I have that it was a comprehensive, 02:09:43.150 --> 02:09:44.850 all inclusive master plan. 02:09:47.410 --> 02:09:50.970 So they have five, I think, zoning classifications 02:09:51.830 --> 02:09:54.270 and that is basically one of them 02:09:54.270 --> 02:09:57.290 and that's what they use for their big data solar, 02:09:58.450 --> 02:10:02.430 like their big industrial changes basically. 02:10:03.310 --> 02:10:04.210 So I was just curious. 02:10:04.490 --> 02:10:05.890 Along that note though, I mean, I've 02:10:05.890 --> 02:10:07.750 been involved with the master plan for the irrigation 02:10:07.750 --> 02:10:08.310 district. 02:10:09.370 --> 02:10:13.070 Just because you have a master plan, believe me, 02:10:13.230 --> 02:10:17.410 doesn't believe that it's the direction it's going to go. 02:10:18.170 --> 02:10:22.910 There are many ways that the master plan gets, 02:10:24.670 --> 02:10:31.830 Yeah, so but I think that would be worse looking into so within their pud's they also have cup's and 02:10:31.830 --> 02:10:36.850 Their conditional use permits are equivalent to our special use permits with conditions 02:10:36.850 --> 02:10:40.990 So those are actually incorporated also and then they have the mo use 02:10:40.990 --> 02:10:43.230 which I 02:10:43.230 --> 02:10:49.570 Don't remember the exact acronym acronym what it stands for the gen the gist of that is is where they can deal they can 02:10:49.570 --> 02:10:55.030 communicate directly with the applicant maybe to get like they are getting a road built the 02:10:55.030 --> 02:11:02.730 applicant to do their project is upgrading an existing county road using 12 million dollars of the applicants money and 02:11:03.250 --> 02:11:09.630 Then Laramie County is on the hook for potentially 1.2 or 1.5 million if there's overages needed 02:11:10.290 --> 02:11:12.570 And that's part of their pud 02:11:13.970 --> 02:11:15.070 CUP, MOU. 02:11:15.490 --> 02:11:17.770 Anyway, so there's a lot of acronyms out there, 02:11:18.170 --> 02:11:22.150 but they do use the PUDs, the planning and developments, 02:11:23.330 --> 02:11:26.570 and incorporated with what we would incorporate that 02:11:26.570 --> 02:11:27.630 with our special use permits, 02:11:27.790 --> 02:11:30.830 and then I am also looking about the MOUs, 02:11:31.010 --> 02:11:32.190 which, sorry, I can't remember the acronym, 02:11:32.650 --> 02:11:34.210 incorporating those in Platte County as well. 02:11:35.130 --> 02:11:37.090 So I will get a copy of those, 02:11:37.510 --> 02:11:40.270 and they're probably, I mean, you could go to 02:11:40.270 --> 02:11:42.770 Laramie County Planning and Zoning, 02:11:42.870 --> 02:11:45.990 and I believe you can find the rules and regulations 02:11:45.990 --> 02:11:49.410 they have also, and anybody can, they're public, so. 02:11:50.510 --> 02:11:53.290 Bill brought up a good point right there to me. 02:11:53.350 --> 02:11:55.630 He said maybe in one of their, in their special use permit, 02:11:55.730 --> 02:12:00.970 we just ask them to provide us a PUD. 02:12:02.910 --> 02:12:03.290 Yeah. 02:12:04.210 --> 02:12:07.010 A plan unit development, just so the people in the county 02:12:07.750 --> 02:12:11.370 and us we're more aware of what's actually gonna transpire on the property 02:12:11.370 --> 02:12:15.510 knowing full well just because they bring us this map that says here's where 02:12:15.510 --> 02:12:20.890 it's gonna be I think we should take note that that's proximity not factual 02:12:20.890 --> 02:12:26.710 right I think that their PUDs were more of like you have to provide your overall 02:12:26.710 --> 02:12:31.370 knowing that it's probably going to change but then you're not stacking this 02:12:31.370 --> 02:12:34.750 special use and this special use and this and all these permits on top of 02:12:34.750 --> 02:12:39.770 other because you have this master plan and then if they do go to change it you 02:12:39.770 --> 02:12:44.830 have kind of a trickle-down effect and I know I wrote on there that the switch 02:12:44.830 --> 02:12:48.670 grass was the I think was what it was called but that was the most recent one 02:12:48.670 --> 02:12:52.710 that they used it in and it was like 1,700 acres or something that they 02:12:52.710 --> 02:12:59.650 built on and that was the most recent one that they did this PUD on so maybe 02:12:59.650 --> 02:13:05.750 be worth taking a look at. Just an idea. I think so. Thank you. Any other public comment 02:13:05.750 --> 02:13:20.990 on this section? Milo Stevens. Tequila's point, I think that it would be really, really good 02:13:20.990 --> 02:13:27.110 to have a master plan shown by the company, site layer four, of the data center, for instance, 02:13:27.110 --> 02:13:33.910 well, I mean, not for instance, but sort of as a precedent for this, back in, I think 02:13:33.910 --> 02:13:41.390 it was August of 2024, next year I did an event at the Chugwater High School where they 02:13:41.390 --> 02:13:47.850 had all these company representatives that you could talk to where they had big, like, 02:13:48.150 --> 02:13:52.610 they had big graphs of what it would look like, where it would be, all that stuff. 02:13:52.610 --> 02:13:58.710 And I do think that even if that even if like a public event wasn't specified by the regulations 02:13:58.710 --> 02:14:04.250 Having a master plan be specified that would be able to be viewed by the entire County as public record 02:14:04.250 --> 02:14:09.230 Would be very prudent that way the entire County can know and 02:14:09.810 --> 02:14:11.330 have a and 02:14:11.850 --> 02:14:14.010 well potentially have input on 02:14:14.810 --> 02:14:20.730 How the data center can be constructed or made to better fit the will of the general County? 02:14:22.610 --> 02:14:24.070 the general rule of the county, sorry. 02:14:24.810 --> 02:14:25.130 Thank you. 02:14:26.010 --> 02:14:26.490 Thank you. 02:14:28.070 --> 02:14:28.810 Anyone else? 02:14:32.250 --> 02:14:32.990 Anyone else? 02:14:36.690 --> 02:14:38.930 This time, I'll close it to public comment, 02:14:39.570 --> 02:14:40.650 bring it before the board. 02:15:32.870 --> 02:15:33.670 Any discussion? 02:15:35.670 --> 02:15:36.590 Are you all in deep thought? 02:15:44.350 --> 02:15:52.170 Yeah, I'm good with the changes we've made, and I can see that, you know, like the data 02:15:52.610 --> 02:15:56.390 We keep that consistent with ranching and industrial. 02:15:57.390 --> 02:16:00.270 So I'm good with the changes we've made. 02:16:04.370 --> 02:16:09.330 And adding in the verbiage that we stuck in chapter six 02:16:09.330 --> 02:16:11.110 and chapter seven and chapter eight. 02:16:11.390 --> 02:16:11.450 Yep. 02:16:12.470 --> 02:16:15.330 Not the verbiage but under section eight, 02:16:15.950 --> 02:16:17.370 that's zero five, zero six, zero. 02:16:17.810 --> 02:16:22.270 And then under six 10 zero zero zero. 02:16:22.970 --> 02:16:24.370 That was chapter six. 02:16:24.810 --> 02:16:25.270 And then eight. 02:16:26.390 --> 02:16:29.730 Just so we're consistent with what we've done. 02:16:34.530 --> 02:16:38.250 So I would entertain a motion if there is no further discussion. 02:16:42.270 --> 02:16:46.130 I will make that motion to approve those changes. 02:16:48.150 --> 02:16:50.890 I have a motion on the floor to approve the changes. 02:16:54.050 --> 02:16:58.330 In your motion, and never mind, it's going to have to be its own motion to amend Chapter 02:16:58.330 --> 02:16:58.810 6. 02:16:59.350 --> 02:16:59.610 Never mind. 02:17:04.770 --> 02:17:08.050 This is a motion for Chapter 7 and 8. 02:17:08.530 --> 02:17:09.710 And, oh, let me interrupt. 02:17:09.710 --> 02:17:16.130 So there were some other minor changes in seven and eight in addition to that last section 02:17:16.130 --> 02:17:23.350 I will need you to address those or accept them as presented or something or deny them whichever way 02:17:23.350 --> 02:17:28.150 I think please you accept. Yeah, I'll accept those changes that were made 02:17:29.670 --> 02:17:32.110 And include that in my motion 02:17:34.290 --> 02:17:35.630 I'll second it 02:17:39.710 --> 02:17:42.210 Have a motion on the floor to approve 02:17:43.530 --> 02:17:45.710 Chapter seven and eight and 02:17:47.410 --> 02:17:54.230 The other exclusions and or additions that we made along the way any further discussion 02:17:58.070 --> 02:18:04.630 Hearing none all those in favor signify by saying aye aye all opposed carried 02:18:06.030 --> 02:18:08.930 Now we need to go back and revisit chapter six 02:18:49.150 --> 02:18:50.250 That's what I think. 02:18:52.990 --> 02:18:56.390 The only change is to add in any state and federal permit, correct? 02:19:08.410 --> 02:19:09.450 And Kayla's. 02:19:09.710 --> 02:19:16.430 to reflect the same verbiage as approved in Section 805060 data centers? 02:19:18.770 --> 02:19:19.810 So moved. 02:19:28.130 --> 02:19:30.270 He's going to ask you to reread that. 02:19:32.010 --> 02:19:32.690 Oh my gosh. 02:19:32.710 --> 02:19:33.670 Yeah, what she said. 02:19:36.670 --> 02:19:46.210 I'll make a motion to amend our motion for Chapter 6 with the changes or to include 02:19:46.210 --> 02:19:48.610 the same verbiage as Chapter 8. 02:19:49.690 --> 02:19:52.290 In section, so you have to specify the section. 02:19:52.830 --> 02:19:53.550 So amend the changes. 02:19:53.550 --> 02:20:03.950 is amend Chapter 6 so that Section 610-000 Data Center reflects the same verbiage as 02:20:03.950 --> 02:20:09.210 approved in Section 8-0506-0 Data Centers. 02:20:09.210 --> 02:20:26.210 in section 8 chapter no it was chapter 8 section 8 5060 okay we're good okay okay 02:20:28.030 --> 02:20:36.710 I'll second that any further discussion all those in favor signify bank saying 02:20:37.730 --> 02:20:40.670 I all opposed carried I 02:20:44.850 --> 02:20:49.330 Do have one I had mentioned Malcolm, I'm a knee jet for the 02:20:50.750 --> 02:20:59.210 Came to light after rereading the regulations chapter 3 and the original regulations Malcolm, I don't I didn't prevent 02:21:01.130 --> 02:21:02.310 Page 16 02:21:03.970 --> 02:21:06.710 The bottom of the page right there, oh there you go 02:21:08.750 --> 02:21:15.510 The sentence the last paragraph on there just above section three zero five zero two zero administrative procedures 02:21:15.510 --> 02:21:20.350 The Planning Office shall allow the new allowed use without 02:21:20.350 --> 02:21:28.170 Requiring any special use permit and will maintain the record of the new allowed use. I would like to get that removed 02:21:32.530 --> 02:21:41.150 And you're on chapter 3 bottom of page 16 correct? Correct. I highlighted it I believe 02:21:42.670 --> 02:21:44.830 Page 16, yeah. 02:21:54.690 --> 02:21:58.890 Yeah I think that needs to be taken out because if I read that right you have the authority 02:21:58.890 --> 02:21:59.690 to do whatever you want. 02:22:00.430 --> 02:22:01.130 That's what I see. 02:22:02.110 --> 02:22:02.910 I'm not an attorney though. 02:22:03.070 --> 02:22:04.950 I think that's a bad thing. 02:22:06.110 --> 02:22:12.330 If everybody reads, I can read it out loud, but if you look at right above their C, the 02:22:12.330 --> 02:22:17.230 purpose of rezoning is to change the zoning of the land and allow uses specifically allowed 02:22:17.230 --> 02:22:18.610 in a land use district. 02:22:19.150 --> 02:22:24.270 The purpose of a special use permit is to authorize a use which is regulated in a land 02:22:24.270 --> 02:22:29.830 use district and may include multiple family occupation in either separate accessory structures 02:22:29.830 --> 02:22:31.950 or incorporated within the business structure 02:22:31.950 --> 02:22:34.990 for property, owner manager, families, and employees. 02:22:35.750 --> 02:22:36.510 And you continue reading. 02:22:37.330 --> 02:22:40.550 When new allowed uses are approved for land development, 02:22:40.990 --> 02:22:43.630 the new use may be documented and an action 02:22:43.630 --> 02:22:46.150 by the commissioners may require the new use 02:22:46.150 --> 02:22:48.810 to be incorporated in the next revision 02:22:48.810 --> 02:22:51.650 of the Platt County Planning and Zoning Rules and Regulations, 02:22:51.810 --> 02:22:53.030 including public review. 02:22:53.690 --> 02:22:56.010 The documentation of the new allowed use 02:22:56.010 --> 02:22:58.170 shall be forwarded to the Planning Office. 02:22:59.830 --> 02:23:06.010 shall allow the new allowed use without requiring any special use permit and will maintain the 02:23:06.010 --> 02:23:07.590 record of the new allowed use. 02:23:08.250 --> 02:23:15.470 We are doing the top portion of that section, of that paragraph. 02:23:15.610 --> 02:23:21.050 We are trying to be ahead of the curve with data centers by incorporating them into our 02:23:21.050 --> 02:23:21.930 rules of regulations. 02:23:22.650 --> 02:23:28.110 But that last sentence to me says that once we put them in there, and there are things 02:23:30.850 --> 02:23:33.030 that technically a special use permit 02:23:33.030 --> 02:23:34.530 could possibly be waived. 02:23:35.030 --> 02:23:39.310 And I think that opens up the county for a lot. 02:23:42.630 --> 02:23:44.730 At this time I'll open up to public comment 02:23:45.370 --> 02:23:46.910 on that particular statement. 02:23:47.670 --> 02:23:49.210 If there's any public comment. 02:23:55.570 --> 02:23:56.910 Any public comment? 02:24:04.770 --> 02:24:10.230 Anything to keep us in completely power and control without these big corporations running 02:24:10.230 --> 02:24:15.270 over us or saying anything, I think we should have the most control and be able to stop 02:24:15.270 --> 02:24:16.670 anything at any point in time. 02:24:17.650 --> 02:24:23.210 So I think if they're going to do anything new or try to do something more, they need 02:24:23.210 --> 02:24:25.790 to come back to you guys and find out what's up. 02:24:26.830 --> 02:24:27.130 That's it. 02:24:39.310 --> 02:24:45.530 I just want to comment that I would appreciate that last sentence being taken out. 02:24:46.550 --> 02:24:50.130 That is too much control in one area. 02:24:50.130 --> 02:24:57.610 And totally unrelated, when you have new businesses coming in, 02:24:57.670 --> 02:25:02.090 not new businesses, when you have major changes in an area, 02:25:02.650 --> 02:25:07.370 like let's say the oil came into Alaska and all of the citizens 02:25:07.370 --> 02:25:09.370 of that state benefited from that. 02:25:10.330 --> 02:25:14.270 Oil in Oklahoma, all the citizens benefited from that. 02:25:14.510 --> 02:25:18.210 I understand the financial benefits to a county 02:25:20.210 --> 02:25:28.210 But that doesn't, unless I need the ambulance because I jumped off the step and broke my 02:25:28.210 --> 02:25:31.690 hip, I don't see that this is benefiting me in any way. 02:25:32.110 --> 02:25:38.250 And so I just wanted to say that I think you would get a lot more positive reaction from 02:25:38.250 --> 02:25:44.590 these things if there was a way for everyone to benefit from it, other than just a new 02:25:44.590 --> 02:25:45.370 tax base. 02:25:46.110 --> 02:25:46.350 Thanks. 02:25:48.210 --> 02:25:48.910 Thank you. 02:25:54.170 --> 02:25:55.750 Any other public comment? 02:25:59.170 --> 02:26:01.470 Well, I suppose you guys can't say you're surprised. 02:26:02.350 --> 02:26:02.870 Milo Stevens. 02:26:03.650 --> 02:26:09.930 So all I was going to say is I would definitely support you guys removing the last sentence 02:26:10.690 --> 02:26:12.190 of what would that be? 02:26:13.090 --> 02:26:14.440 Section 305-19? 02:26:20.590 --> 02:26:21.630 305-010. 02:26:22.110 --> 02:26:22.370 Right. 02:26:22.910 --> 02:26:23.290 Thank you. 02:26:23.830 --> 02:26:27.570 That the planning office shall allow the new allowed use without requiring any special 02:26:27.570 --> 02:26:31.610 use permit and will maintain the record of the new allowed use. 02:26:32.430 --> 02:26:33.170 Please remove that. 02:26:33.330 --> 02:26:34.410 That would be really great. 02:26:34.610 --> 02:26:34.790 Thank you. 02:26:36.090 --> 02:26:36.830 Thank you. 02:26:38.790 --> 02:26:39.510 Anyone else? 02:26:43.270 --> 02:26:44.210 Anyone else? 02:26:45.850 --> 02:26:49.890 Okay, at this time I'll close it to public comment, bring it before the board for further 02:26:49.890 --> 02:26:50.310 discussion. 02:26:50.490 --> 02:26:52.510 If there is no discussion, I would entertain a motion. 02:27:00.330 --> 02:27:06.270 I guess just me mouthin' off again, but I think you can see with our planning and zoning 02:27:06.270 --> 02:27:11.150 rules, when we find something that does not apply, they're changeable. 02:27:11.970 --> 02:27:13.290 Same way with the new ones we'll do. 02:27:14.210 --> 02:27:17.810 So it's kind of a living document, I guess I'd want to say. 02:27:18.070 --> 02:27:21.990 So I will move to remove that last sentence. 02:27:24.910 --> 02:27:27.610 I have a motion on the floor to strike the sentence, 02:27:28.610 --> 02:27:34.910 the last sentence of paragraph C in section 3.05-010. 02:27:35.150 --> 02:27:36.050 Do I have a second? 02:27:36.570 --> 02:27:37.350 I'll second that. 02:27:38.010 --> 02:27:39.090 And seconded. 02:27:40.470 --> 02:27:41.490 Any further discussion? 02:27:44.030 --> 02:27:46.690 All those in favor signify by saying aye. 02:27:48.030 --> 02:27:48.630 All opposed. 02:27:50.030 --> 02:27:50.370 Carried. 02:27:53.310 --> 02:27:54.330 I think with that. 02:27:56.930 --> 02:27:57.430 We're good. 02:27:58.670 --> 02:27:59.650 Malcolm at this point. 02:28:00.950 --> 02:28:04.290 Will there be an advertisement for the Board of County Commissioners meeting on the proposed 02:28:04.290 --> 02:28:05.750 changes to the rules and regulations. 02:28:06.930 --> 02:28:06.990 Yeah. 02:28:07.190 --> 02:28:07.710 So the earliest. 02:28:09.210 --> 02:28:09.310 If. 02:28:10.410 --> 02:28:11.470 And there's a lot of ifs. 02:28:11.490 --> 02:28:18.110 If the facilities are available if the paper is able to get it in the earliest that the 02:28:18.110 --> 02:28:22.630 commissioners could meet would be October 7th. 02:28:23.130 --> 02:28:28.890 But again there's a lot of caveat there but I'm gonna soon as I leave here make some phone 02:28:28.890 --> 02:28:32.450 calls and try to get something scheduled. 02:28:34.610 --> 02:28:39.170 Thank you and as we have done in the past you'll just put this on the front page of 02:28:39.170 --> 02:28:43.170 the official website for black counting correct. Yeah it goes it in that 02:28:43.170 --> 02:28:55.730 newspaper and then it'll go on the website as well. Okay entertain a motion 02:28:55.730 --> 02:28:59.970 to adjourn. We're adjourned.